JIB Do not recognise City & Guilds without NVQ

[EastLondonPlumb]

Hi all just a heads up that JIB will not issue a blue or gold skills card without a NVQ. They say the City & Guilds is just the classroom side to the qualification. To which i do not agree, on a city & guilds course you will have a practical portfolio as well as written exams. You also complete a final assessment which is exactly the same as a NVQ.

Just a heads up to all on a City & Guilds course make sure you get the NVQ.

 

[kirkgas]

Depends what C&G cert you have, unfortunately some are just classroom theory Certs and not worth having on their own

 

[hammers4spanner]

I have city guilds gold card

 

[chris watkins]

The idea behind the only recognised plumbing qualification (C&G 6189) introduced a couple of years ago was that it was an NVQ qualification i.e. you had to be working, not just a classroom test, you combined work based learning with college.

I am sorry EastLondon but you don't know much about Plumbing if you think that you can learn enough about the trade to hold a card & work on site from just a college course!!

The trouble is that so much revenue was being lost by the colleges that they campaigned to have the college only course re-enstated but it does not make you a plumber & never can no matter what they promise you & how much money you pay! Beware of the C&G 6035 !!

I feel for you but carrying out plumbing tasks in a college is in no way the same as doing it in the work place.

 

[lame plumber]

Hi all just a heads up that JIB will not issue a blue or gold skills card without a NVQ. They say the City & Guilds is just the classroom side to the qualification. To which i do not agree, on a city & guilds course you will have a practical portfolio as well as written exams. You also complete a final assessment which is exactly the same as a NVQ.

Just a heads up to all on a City & Guilds course make sure you get the NVQ.

seems your the one sheep walking in a different direction to the flock old son, common knowledge, you may have soldered a few pipes but you need a bit more experience than that to be honest

 

[stratplus]

Ive done 3 years at college doing c+g level 2 and 3 electrical. No site experience. I am by no means an electrician!!

 

[dom brennan]

in college there was 21 on the level 2 non nvq course and they all passed and not one of them are doing anything to do with plumbing now. its a stupid course really you can only do 75% in college the rest is onsite. its just keeping the college tutors in a job

 

[northstar]

Ive done 3 years at college doing c+g level 2 and 3 electrical. No site experience. I am by no means an electrician!!

what c+g electrical course did you do ?

 

[Ermintrude]

I got black card?

 

[stratplus]

what c+g electrical course did you do ?

2330 level 2 and 3. Also 2392 inspection and test and 17th ed. I bet most of the guys on here know more than me about stuff. Didn't even tough centeal heating controls. Cost distinctions throughout but without site experience I lack the confidence.

 

[Ermintrude]

2330 level 2 and 3. Also 2392 inspection and test and 17th ed. I bet most of the guys on here know more than me about stuff. Didn't even tough centeal heating controls. Cost distinctions throughout but without site experience I lack the confidence.

Your not safe / competent with electrics till you've had a good jolt, then you take isolation a bit more serious !

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

Your not safe / competent with electrics till you've had a good jolt, then you take isolation a bit more serious !

now you know thats carp,you have to blown across the room backwards first and have burnt hair

 

[Ch4 plumbing]

I got a bolt from a bare wire the boy electrician left floating around live! Would have brained him if he was on site!

 

[chris watkins]

in college there was 21 on the level 2 non nvq course and they all passed and not one of them are doing anything to do with plumbing now. its a stupid course really you can only do 75% in college the rest is onsite. its just keeping the college tutors in a job

As an ex-college tutor myself I can tell you all the plumbing lecturers are there to teach apprentices or trainees who do 4 day's training on site & 1 with them in colleges. Otherwise they have such a hard time trying to do their job properly.

Perhaps we should be looking towards governments who don't want 16 year old underachievers still in school & with no chance of employment, appearing on the statistics as unemployed.
So what to do ? lets offer them these stupid college course with the allure of increasing their chances of plumbing employment at the end of it, when we all know it is just wasting a couple of years of their very valuable young lives.

& we the tax payers pay for all that copper tube which will never see a drop of water or gas !!

6035 full time Level 2 AND 3 = full time college = 3 days a week tops 9 to 4 if you are luck with breaks, sound like site working hours to you?. LEVEL 3 for someone who has never put a foot on site & guess what there is gas & electrical in there as well, are these people mad ??? oh know they needed the L3 to keep them in there for the second year. :32::rant::furious3::chillpill::girl_hug: rant over back to painting now.

 

[wetdrip]

in college there was 21 on the level 2 non nvq course and they all passed and not one of them are doing anything to do with plumbing now. its a stupid course really you can only do 75% in college the rest is onsite. its just keeping the college tutors in a job

When my nipper was doing his NVQ 2, the course time overran. Not one of the 19 in his class done their booth work as it's the last thing they do. Upon returning after summer break the college wanted each student to pay around £1,200 to bring someone in to oversee said booth work.
NO CHANCE.
So next time round, and he'll most probably have to start from scratch, and its Rugby college, as they have a great rep.
College doesn't teach a student how to: lift boards and replace, chase out or plan a job, affix rads to dot and dab or the various type of alternative fixtures and fitting one can use from under the sink work , guts of a W.C. or have a selection of old and new taps available to the students to have a play with and understand their differences.Sounds silly but true.
There's no true real life work, as in get down and dirty.

 

[dom brennan]

When my nipper was doing his NVQ 2, the course time overran. Not one of the 19 in his class done their booth work as it's the last thing they do. Upon returning after summer break the college wanted each student to pay around £1,200 to bring someone in to oversee said booth work.
NO CHANCE.
So next time round, and he'll most probably have to start from scratch, and its Rugby college, as they have a great rep.
College doesn't teach a student how to: lift boards and replace, chase out or plan a job, affix rads to dot and dab or the various type of alternative fixtures and fitting one can use from under the sink work , guts of a W.C. or have a selection of old and new taps available to the students to have a play with and understand their differences.Sounds silly but true.
There's no true real life work, as in get down and dirty.

That is very true, fixing rads to ply walls. We have done a bathroom assessment the wastes where already in. The pipe work was mostly plastic push fit every single joint leaked because the fittings are old, we spent more time fixing leaks thank actually fitting the bathroom.

 

[deandive]

The guy I work with has a first year apprentice with him one day a week. He was talking about an assessment fitting a sink , they used speed fit and were given 8 hours to complete?

 

[stratplus]

The guy I work with has a first year apprentice with him one day a week. He was talking about an assessment fitting a sink , they used speed fit and were given 8 hours to complete?

Kitchen sink? Never had that on any assessments.

 

[kay-jay]

Kitchen sink? Never had that on any assessments.

I bet he means basin....😉

 

[kirkgas]

The guy I work with has a first year apprentice with him one day a week. He was talking about an assessment fitting a sink , they used speed fit and were given 8 hours to complete?

In the colleges I work in fitting a sink unit is one of the assessments, you get 3.5hrs to do it, waste boss is already there and two blanked/valves supplies, they have to work from a drawing with specific measurements for 1st leg off offsets, but not size of offset, if that makes sense, so they are assessed on pipe bending as well, rather than letting them put any size of tail on the offset etc
If a guy says he gets 8hrs I can't say he's lying, more likely he said a day, but remember a college day is only 6.5hrs and it depends how accurate they need to be