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happyflyer
Hope you turn your water of when you go down the shops.... plastic is tat when on or off show, I still have a little pride even when I lift the floor boards and stand back and say I did that, or my kids say my dad did that when he was alive...:4:
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TBServices
Plastic is okay under floors I guess. I'd rather use copper, but plastic is easier.
Do yourself a favour, if you're drilling joists, hire an angle drill and make sure you drill your holes in line with each other, the same height and straight! This will make threading your pipes much easier. Also, plan your runs carefully.
Any radiators with dropped supplies, use lock shield valves with built in drainoff's.
You could even consider using a manifold system.
Do yourself a favour, if you're drilling joists, hire an angle drill and make sure you drill your holes in line with each other, the same height and straight! This will make threading your pipes much easier. Also, plan your runs carefully.
Any radiators with dropped supplies, use lock shield valves with built in drainoff's.
You could even consider using a manifold system.
I am getting on a bit & wary of anything made of plastic must admit! When I look at plastic fittings that have had hot heating water in them for a few years, I worry. Looking recently at a 22mm stopend, on a few years I guess & had been on return pipe i removed close to a boiler & it looked like it was about to die - colour brown & inside it poor.
As to the name "Best" - it was just a name I had thought of in a couple of seconds, & it is easy to type! Always think it is nice to try your best though. :smile:
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At least you know your limits. Only a mug would attempt to do a whole house in copper if he can't solder really well. A really good plumber would be able to do a professional job in copper probably for not a fortune & likely before you would barely start your plastic pipe install! See this very often - DIY "saves" himself £500 & buys a lot of expensive "cheap" materials & spends 3 weeks worrying about & doing a job a pro will do properly in 3 days!
Copper notched into joists are better not in middle of room because it weakens joists more there & it is easier to roll back a carpet at the side of room (where you enter the room) a couple of feet to accesss them if you ever had to. Landings & halls can be a nuisance to access pipes if carpets fitted, as carpet will be hard to lift there often, plus you disturb the main thoroughfare & there tends to be a lot of wiring there.
If you do use plastic it will require care & some skill also though.
Use a chalk line (if you havent a straight line to work to) to mark a dead straight line on top of joists & use a level to mark plumb lines down. Then mark centre of holes exact distance down you require.
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happyflyer
Best you are simply the best, chalk line most plumbers have never seen one, the nearest brick with some plumbers will do and plastic tube will move to the nearest brick when it gets warm.
Best I asked a question on a thread yesterday, when was the first plastic tube used for heating minibore? and no one answered, do you know, I do I will let it bubble a bit before I tell you.
Tony
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You really do hate platic dont you happy flyer ! I dont understand why ! People mis use it and it fails ! FACT ! If you mis use copper it fails ! People moan about plastic but it works and does a very good job ! May be a different plastic but all ne water mains are plastic ! And there fine. You cant exactly use copper on the collector for GSHP.
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pana37
now you guys have a lot of negative feedback on plastic.
Im confident on routing / running pipes rads etc. would be nice if I could learn on how to solder. I'll have to look if I could a crash course in plumbing soldering or something.
Im confident on routing / running pipes rads etc. would be nice if I could learn on how to solder. I'll have to look if I could a crash course in plumbing soldering or something.
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It's simple, you don't need to be a plumber to fit plastic, you don't need to a plumber to fit copper but it does help and you are right GSHP is a plastic derivative which in the main lends itself to plastic, I don't like to see it being used when you have a choice, BTW I am not on my own about only using copper there are others, copper does look nice when it's installed right, plastic is best hidden under the floor of behind a cupboard door it can never be made to look good, or am I wrong and the jobs I have seen have been plumbers from hell and it really can be made to look good, post some photos of work you have done in plastic, BTW anyone one else who has some bespoke plastic works, I will not be holding my breath.
Tony
plastic is fine, in the right hands.
most plumbers who dont like it have had bad experiences with it because it was poorly installed originally. Ive plumbed 4-500 plus new build houses in the stuff and had no major issues, houses ranging from 1 bed flats to 6-7 bed large houses. Only really seen problems on bad workmanship on other jobs tbh.
modern building methods and joists tend to make plastic the prefered choice in new construction, its here to stay. You either need to embrace the tech or reduce the percentage of work you can tender/quote for.
most plumbers who dont like it have had bad experiences with it because it was poorly installed originally. Ive plumbed 4-500 plus new build houses in the stuff and had no major issues, houses ranging from 1 bed flats to 6-7 bed large houses. Only really seen problems on bad workmanship on other jobs tbh.
modern building methods and joists tend to make plastic the prefered choice in new construction, its here to stay. You either need to embrace the tech or reduce the percentage of work you can tender/quote for.
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