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The problem with this country is if someone works hard builds a big business and becomes rich there automatically branded ******s and hated

Should it not be a lot of them people should be looked upto not demonised they have achieved great things not say on there bum and take money hand over fist from the tax payer why should someone who has done well for themselves get screwed and have to pay a lot more money for there hard work just because our welfare system is paying good money to s lot of scumbags

Of course there will be exceptions
No wonder people try and take there money out of Britain or try to avoid the huge tax they get charged
 
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why should someone who has done well for themselves get screwed and have to pay a lot more money for there hard work just because our welfare system is paying good money to s lot of scumbags

What a lot of the loony left, the feckless and bone idle, the entitled, fail to grasp is the the rich DO pay a lot more.

20% of £1M per annum is a lot more than 20% of £10K p.a.

To then doubly penalise high earners by putting them into higher tax brackets will not improve the economy in the long term as it reduces or removes the incentive to work harder, innovate, invest and grow.

Additionally, as a percentage of their tax contribution higher earners are lower consumers from the common pot. A GP appointment or operation or policing costs basically the same whether you're a mega-rich plumbers' merchant or a poor plumber. Their relative tax contributions are worlds apart, however.
 
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Additionally, as a percentage of their tax contribution higher earners are lower consumers from the common pot. A GP appointment or operation or policing costs basically the same whether you're a mega-rich plumber or a poor plumber's merchant without two brass farthings to rub together. Their relative tax contributions are worlds apart, however.

Fixed your typo Mas.
 
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The problem with this country is if someone works hard builds a big business and becomes rich there automatically branded ******s and hated
there is another angle to that generally they are, as one of the requirements to get on in this world is a total disregard for how others see you and no desire to please anyone else but yourself. All stems from childhood i think we grow up to be pleasers or non pleasers and its usually the latter who are more succesfull
The classic scenario is tough background with little love becomes billionaire
 
there is another angle to that generally they are, as one of the requirements to get on in this world is a total disregard for how others see you and no desire to please anyone else but yourself. All stems from childhood i think we grow up to be pleasers or non pleasers and its usually the latter who are more succesfull
The classic scenario is tough background with little love becomes billionaire

Whilst there is some truth to that Steve, I don't think it's entirely true. There are a LOT of philanthropic millionaires. Some have built businesses by being ruthless, others being being visionaries and spotting a niche in the market.

I think you need a thick skin and extreme resilience to shrug off the doubters and bounce back from early failures. You need determination and a great deal of stubbornness but I don't think it's necessary to not care about others.
 
I don't think it's necessary to not care about others.

Just to illustrate that point, when MickW sold this company to the staff, he turned down a competing offer which was some £millions higher than we were able to pay.

His reasons?

Two main reasons were:

a) he wanted the business to keep its values, and

b) the other potential purchaser already had all the head office functions like accounts, HR, IT etc and he didn't want all our people in those departments to lose their jobs.

Viscious b@st@ards these millionaire businessmen.
 
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For those of you reciting the 'Tories defend the rich' argument, read this. It's worth it, I assure you.
Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to £100...
If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this...
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay £1.
The sixth would pay £3.
The seventh would pay £7..
The eighth would pay £12.
The ninth would pay £18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay £59.
So, that's what they decided to do..
The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve ball.
"Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by £20". Drinks for the ten men would now cost just £80.
The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes.
So the first four men were unaffected.
They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men?
The paying customers?
How could they divide the £20 windfall so that everyone would get his fair share?
They realised that £20 divided by six is £3.33. But if they
subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer.
So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by a higher percentage the poorer he was, to follow the principle of the tax system they had been using, and he proceeded to work out the amounts he suggested that each should now pay.
And so the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% saving).
The sixth now paid £2 instead of £3 (33% saving).
The seventh now paid £5 instead of £7 (28% saving).
The eighth now paid £9 instead of £12 (25% saving).
The ninth now paid £14 instead of £18 (22% saving).
The tenth now paid £49 instead of £59 (16% saving).
Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But, once outside the bar, the men began to compare their savings.
"I only got a pound out of the £20 saving," declared the sixth man.
He pointed to the tenth man,"but he got £10!"
"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a pound too. It's unfair that he got ten times more benefit than me!"
"That's true!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get £10 back, when I got only £2? The wealthy get all the breaks!"
"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison, "we didn't get anything at all. This new tax system exploits the poor!"
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.
The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had their beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!
And that, boys and girls, journalists and government ministers, is how our tax system works.
The people who already pay the highest taxes will naturally get the most benefit from a tax reduction.
Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore.
In fact, they might start drinking overseas, where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.
David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics.
For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.

maybe if the rich guy paid ALL his taxes aqnd didnt hide it overseas.....and also paid the bottom lot a fair wage and not peanuts...maybe they could ALL afford to go to pub n buy a round 😉
 
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The Scottish already pay less than us yet spend more 'alleged '

We pay MORE fact.....has been reported many times...unfortunatly they dont tell you lot.
Was on news other day too .
We get a lot less back than we pay in...why the hell do you think they wanted us to stay??? because they were being nice?? 😉

quote form the papers :::
Not only do the latest figures destroy the last main argument against the suggestion that Scotland paid #27bn more than was received in public spending, they suggest that the actual figure was nearer to #31bn. Mr William Waldegrave, Chief Secretary to the Treasury, has been forced to concede figures in Commons questioning in recent months, which show that if Scotland's share of North Sea revenues had been allocated since 1979, then the net flow in favour of the Treasury from north of the Border ran to #27bn - a figure which the SNP used to refute previous claims that Scotland was subsidised.
 
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maybe if the rich guy paid ALL his taxes aqnd didnt hide it overseas.....and also paid the bottom lot a fair wage and not peanuts...maybe they could ALL afford to go to pub n buy a round 😉

Maybe if the tax regime didn't punish higher earners with this double whammy of higher tax brackets, the rich guy wouldn't feel the need to indulge in tax avoidance?

Bear in mind that most of these avoidance schemes are actually legal due to loopholes in HMRC rules. And that whilst Cameron and Osborne made lots of noise about the popstars who were in these schemes, shedloads of politicians and their cronies were also part of them...
 
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Maybe if the tax regime didn't punish higher earners with this double whammy of higher tax brackets, the rich guy wouldn't feel the need to indulge in tax avoidance?

Bear in mind that most of these avoidance schemes are actually legal due to loopholes in HMRC rules. And that whilst Cameron and Osborne made lots of noise about the popstars who were in these schemes, shedloads of politicians and their cronies were also part of them...

osborne was on tv ages ago telling HOW to avoid tax. grr
If the companies and mega rich paid their taxes , then it would filter down as less tax WE would need to pay for same services.
Think i read google or amazon should have paid enough to pay for that last big hospital that was completed ...imagine if they ALL paid how much better off we would be .
They go on about the poor and folks on benifits...but the BIGGEST scroungers are these tax avoiding scum. Sorry I think its sad how they can send someone to jail for 1k but these barstewards get smacked wrists and are free and they STEAL millions
 
osborne was on tv ages ago telling HOW to avoid tax. grr
If the companies and mega rich paid their taxes , then it would filter down as less tax WE would need to pay for same services.
Think i read google or amazon should have paid enough to pay for that last big hospital that was completed ...imagine if they ALL paid how much better off we would be .
They go on about the poor and folks on benifits...but the BIGGEST scroungers are these tax avoiding scum. Sorry I think its sad how they can send someone to jail for 1k but these barstewards get smacked wrists and are free and they STEAL millions

Lol your very wrong
It's the scum low life drunks druggies and just lazy that sponge off us If it wasn't for them we all would be far better off
We can't blame the rich for being rich that's called jealousy
I remember always visiting Glasgow and thinking s nuke would be good there
It's a disgrace the amount of tramps and wineos and druggies what we are all paying for so if you want to leave I'd open the door not a problem
 
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dont understand how you can say that when the poor take nothing compared to what the rich steal.....sorry avoid paying.
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There was plenty of what I call tramps in council property's

What your showing Is rubbish
You have your disillusioned beliefs I have mine
 
as long as our disillusioned beliefs make a better place...cool
ps those are governments OWN figures by the way ...makes me wonder why they keep going on about the poor and NOT going after the big guys....future jobs ..bonus's etc maybe 😉
 
Smoke and mirrors
The amount of benefit fraud if you believe it's as little as that your very disillusioned my friend
 
We pay MORE fact.....has been reported many times...unfortunatly they dont tell you lot.
Was on news other day too .
We get a lot less back than we pay in...why the hell do you think they wanted us to stay??? because they were being nice?? 😉

quote form the papers :::
Not only do the latest figures destroy the last main argument against the suggestion that Scotland paid #27bn more than was received in public spending, they suggest that the actual figure was nearer to #31bn. Mr William Waldegrave, Chief Secretary to the Treasury, has been forced to concede figures in Commons questioning in recent months, which show that if Scotland's share of North Sea revenues had been allocated since 1979, then the net flow in favour of the Treasury from north of the Border ran to #27bn - a figure which the SNP used to refute previous claims that Scotland was subsidised.

prehaps it would be good for the rest of us if Scotland were to go independant, best of all they can take on their banks debt of £133 billion themselves, I for one am ****ed off at having to support RBS.
 
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