speedfit pipe with no inserts....

[paul78]

Fitted a new bathroom suite today and swapped the plastic pipe over for copper. No inserts used and customer tells me its been used for years with no leaks...

Any opinions on this as i was under the assumption that it would leak if no inserts were used,

thanks

 

[MZR]

i think the inserts are mainly for the ease of pushing the pipe into the speedfit fitting as theres no compression, if the speedfit pipe is used in conjunction with compression fitting then inserts would be a must as the compression would crush the pipe, however i do know people that dont use inserts at all and get no leaks but in my opinion i would always use then as they are not expensive at all.

 

[Guest123]

Wouldn't leak but possibly blow off. The Supaseal and TS inserts are there to strengthen the end of the pipe in the fitting for the grab ring and compression olive respectively.

 

[paul78]

i know what you mean for the sake of a couple of pence. Oh well i learn something new every day with the need for inserts. Just nice to make the customer feel we know all the answers, even if we dont.

 

[anz]

Yeah, the pipe won't leak if there is no insert, however you run a risk of it blowing in the future.

Haven't we all forgot to put inserts in pipe at some point?

 

[Best]

Inserts give a smooth tapered end for the push fit to go over easy. Other than that, they won't do much else unless the pipe can move inwards, like on compression joints or if hot water pipes. Don't see any reason not to use inserts.

 

[Guest123]

Quoted from JG Speedfit's installation guide:

The insert provides greater rigidity of the pipe within the fitting
and ensures the pipe is completely round to make for a better
seal between the ‘O’ ring and the outside diameter of the pipe.
The stem of the insert gives greater rigidity of the length of
pipe within the fitting, reducing the chance of leaks if a side
load is applied.
The head of the insert has been designed for ease of insertion.

 

[paul78]

Yeah, the pipe won't leak if there is no insert, however you run a risk of it blowing in the future.

Haven't we all forgot to put inserts in pipe at some point?

I have, and iso-valves wrong way etc etc
If we were too perfect life would be very boring:ack2:

 

[jtsplumbing]

No inserts !! next you`ll be saying you cut the pipe with an hacksaw. :dunce2:

 

[markfxy]

Hacksaw my a**e it was an an axe he used

 

[Colin68]

worked on a boiler install recently (converted Conventional set up to Combi) two push fits behind a nicely tiled false wall in the customer bathroom sprung a leak .. numpty fitted them without inserts .. had to smash a tile to get access and put it right .. always put inserts in!!

 

[WaterTight]

I changed a WC inlet valve the other day and the service valve had a completely uncompressed olive on it. It literally just came off by hand. Had been kept in position by the rigidity of the piping and being attatched to the inlet valve.

 

[Stu.roberts]

The reps from john guest told me that they should be fine without on hot and cold pipe work, but would eventually leak on heating pipes, I always use them on any install though.

 

[jtsplumbing]

Dont think i would sleep not useing inserts at all, think about the insurance claims !!

 

[Colin68]

...do it properly and no call backs ... more time in the pub .. ave it!

 

[Howsie]

No inserts no comeback on the manufacture.

 

[wheeto]

Am I completely imagining it, or did JG's SpeedFit start out only using inserts with plastic pipe and compression fittings (ie not with plastic pipe and pushfit fittings)? A quick Google brings nothing up so it's possible I'm just losing my marbles.

 

[Guest123]

The new Supaseal inserts were introduced as a response to multiple installation failures.

By the way Polybutelyne pipe is banned in the USA due to the amount of insurance claims against it. My PB coil has a label stating "not for sale in the USA" A quick Google search for polybutelyne claims in the USA makes entertaining reading.