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Will take the advice and try a freeze kit I reckon
First stop tap is restricting flow so needs attention I wish I could just work on the one upstream instead much easier but thanks for advice anyway.i would never use a squeeze off tool on black alkathene as it often gets brittle. fine if its blue mdpe.
can you not freeze pipe between the 2 existing stoptaps and unwind the workings of the newer one and strip and service it or replace the workings?
what about taking the gubbins out of the first one and putting a plug in to do away with it totally? like this
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of course lolBut brass to avoid rusty water.
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