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[Harvest Fields]

Cheers for the like @Riley this comment always stirs up a good conversation.

 

[Riley]

I’m sure it’s not obligatory but why wouldn’t you

 

[Harvest Fields]

I’m sure it’s not obligatory but why wouldn’t you

That’s not the point mate😀😉😉

 

[Millsy 82]

I’m quite sure that it isn’t a legal requirement to complete a tightness on a CP12.

You are correct. Although it asks for it on the form so just always do it.

 

[Jerry]

I’m quite sure that it isn’t a legal requirement to complete a tightness on a CP12.

Really? I don't understand how it cannot be the most important requirement.

You are undertaking a series of tests to show that the whole gas system is safe etc. Surely the most fundamental test is to check that the gas is not leaking??? That has to be more important than CO emissions and expiry dates on smoke alarms etc

 

[Mastermixlee]

Interesting.
Sure it'd cause a right fuss if you weren't to so one and something did go wrong due to a gas leak though.

Really? I don't understand how it cannot be the most important requirement.

You are undertaking a series of tests to show that the whole gas system is safe etc. Surely the most fundamental test is to check that the gas is not leaking??? That has to be more important than CO emissions and expiry dates on smoke alarms etc

Sounds odd to me also, but for the sake of a 2 minute test (plus 15 minutes gaining access to the sodding meters sometimes lol) I'd always do one.

I'd if you did a cp12 and didn't do a tightness test and something did to wrong you'd be on the firing line regardless of law.

 

[Harvest Fields]

Interesting.
Sure it'd cause a right fuss if you weren't to so one and something did go wrong due to a gas leak though.


Sounds odd to me also, but for the sake of a 2 minute test (plus 15 minutes gaining access to the sodding meters sometimes lol) I'd always do one.

I'd if you did a cp12 and didn't do a tightness test and something did to wrong you'd be on the firing line regardless of law.

Surely you mean a total of 4 minutes 😉😉 and 15 getting access to it.

 

[Harvest Fields]

How can they fire you for something that isn’t a legal requirement? Unless it is company policy.

 

[Jerry]

Hmmmm.

I use the Sprint Mobile App for my FGA and issuing CP12.

There are 3 options on the Tightness Test - PASS - FAIL - NA

If I select NA, then the cert passes. If I select FAIl, then it fails.

So, Sprint thinks the tightness test is not mandatory. But failing it will cause the cert to fail.


Can someone less lazy than me call GS and settle this?
J

 

[Mastermixlee]

How can they fire you for something that isn’t a legal requirement? Unless it is company policy.

I didn't mean firing as in from your job. More from a having to defend your actions (or lack of) for not performing a tightness test.

Wouldn't take the risk of not doing one personally. I know someone who used to do all the investigations following any gas explosions, co poisoning cases etc. And not having performed a tightness test on a cp12 I'm sure would stick out on the reports and earn a thorough questioning if you were the last one to work at the property.

 

[Harvest Fields]

Hmmmm.

I use the Sprint Mobile App for my FGA and issuing CP12.

There are 3 options on the Tightness Test - PASS - FAIL - NA

If I select NA, then the cert passes. If I select FAIl, then it fails.

So, Sprint thinks the tightness test is not mandatory. But failing it will cause the cert to fail.


Can someone less lazy than me call GS and settle this?
J

Settle what?

 

[Mastermixlee]

Surely you mean a total of 4 minutes 😉😉 and 15 getting access to it.

And yes of course lol but only 2 minutes is actually a tightness test (the other 2 are just preparing and ensuring accuracy 😛)

 

[Jerry]

Settle what?

If tightness tests are optional on CP12's

 

[Harvest Fields]

If tightness tests are optional on CP12's

Sure it was in a gas engineer magazine.

 

[Ben-gee]

Ask yourself why you are doing the test.

If it’s to make yourself money, don’t bother with the tightness test if it’s not a legal requirement. (Legitimate view - I’m not judging)

If you are also trying to do your bit to help people/keep them safe , do the test.

Whatever you do, unfortunately some people will die due to gas related domestic incidents as things can/will go wrong.

 

[Harvest Fields]

If tightness tests are optional on CP12's

Bottom bullet point. Recommendation only.

You’re welcome 😉😉

 

[Mastermixlee]

Bottom bullet point. Recommendation only.

You’re welcome 😉😉

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Thanks for that.
So to further delve in the the rabbit hole that is this conversation.
To perform flue flow (to and check flue/chimney is clear) on a gas fire you'd be removing it (and obviously checking catchment space dimensions etc).
If you found the catchment space to be full of muck but the job you had attended was only a cp12 and not charged for service on the fire.... Would you vacuum it up or would you advise and charge for a service.

Let the divisive opinions commence! 😛

 

[Harvest Fields]

Thanks for that.
So to further delve in the the rabbit hole that is this conversation.
To perform flue flow (to and check flue/chimney is clear) on a gas fire you'd be removing it (and obviously checking catchment space dimensions etc).
If you found the catchment space to be full of muck but the job you had attended was only a cp12 and not charged for service on the fire.. Would you vacuum it up or would you advise and charge for a service.

Let the divisive opinions commence! 😛

2 things here. You would call the landlord and get permission to service whilst on site and get paid extra for the service. Also, if you have removed the fire you need to do a tightness test as you have broken a gas connection.

 

[Jerry]

I agree with Harvest Fields.

Get permission to fix the problem or....1) Cap off the gas fire or 2) Fail the CP12 and cap off the house.....hmmm

 

[Mastermixlee]

I agree with Harvest Fields.

Get permission to fix the problem or....1) Cap off the gas fire or 2) Fail the CP12 and cap off the house...hmmm

Talking of which.
If you cap a gas fire due to spillage etc then that appliance has failed. But if capped then risk is removed. So cp12 still a pass (overall)a fire is technically decommissioned? *Insert thinking face emoji here....as they don't have it on the forum 🙁 *