Woolwich killing

[hammers4spanner]

well this thread is about how some poor lad was butchered on a london street not about the edl funny how its drifted away from what the real topic should be

i have no wish or desire to read anything from the qur'an nor the bible

 

[zeebeedee]

Here is a section of the edl's mission statement taken from there on website.

The English Defence League (EDL) is a human rights organisation that was founded in the wake of the shocking actions of a small group of Muslim extremists who, at a homecoming parade in Luton, openly mocked the sacrifices of our service personnel without any fear of censure. Although these actions were certainly those of a minority, we believe that they reflect other forms of religiously-inspired intolerance and barbarity that are thriving amongst certain sections of the Muslim population in Britain: including, but not limited to, the denigration and oppression of women, the molestation of young children, the committing of so-called honour killings, homophobia, anti-Semitism, and continued support for those responsible for terrorist atrocities.

Everyone of the crimes listed are committed by some members of every race and religion on the planet. But yet the edl specifically aim there hatred towards only Muslims committing these acts.

So how can anyone who joins them not be classed as racist? Please don't try and say its a religious thing and therefore its not racist because that's a smokescreen.

 

[hammers4spanner]

nobody has said that their is not an element of racism in the edl but your earlier post tarred everyone with the same brush which is wrong !!!

i have not tarred every muslim as a mad mullah which would be absurd if i had

im not really getting your point to be fair zeb

 

[clarky101]

I asked a Muslim down our way if he had the Koran on dvd, but when i asked if he could burn me a copy..........................

 

[Leo21]

Just out of interest do you think that if someone like me was to burn the qur'an as a protest do you think it would carry the same penalty as a Muslim fundamentalist burning a poppy?
Me neither, that's a two tier system surely?
Please don't far me as a racist, it's just an observation. And a system I dont agree with.

 

[zeebeedee]

Just out of interest do you think that if someone like me was to burn the qur'an as a protest do you think it would carry the same penalty as a Muslim fundamentalist burning a poppy?
Me neither, that's a two tier system surely?
Please don't far me as a racist, it's just an observation. And a system I dont agree with.

You are right with the two tier system, the police and the goverment are terrified of being deemed racist and the race card dies get pulled from time to time.

However, should we not all work together to solve this and not turn to groups like the edl or Muslim extremists to create more hatred more division and more problems to deal with.

 

[Howsie]

well this thread is about how some poor lad was butchered on a london street not about the edl funny how its drifted away from what the real topic should be

i have no wish or desire to read anything from the qur'an nor the bible

Then how can you have an opinion on it?

 

[markfxy]

Was having an argument in our local a while back with a socialworker his opinion was that coloured people are not racist it's only us whites that are tarred with that brush, if this is the sh ite they are being taught god help us all !!. He drinks elsewhere now

 

[hammers4spanner]

Then how can you have an opinion on it?

its called free speech suposed to be able to say what we want

and would you like to point out where i have made an opinion on the qur'an?

i have made opinions on militant islam

 

[Howsie]

its called free speech suposed to be able to say what we want

and would you like to point out where i have made an opinion on the qur'an?

i have made opinions on militant islam

What is militant Islam?

 

[hammers4spanner]

What is militant Islam?

when did you turn 5???

 

[on31ll]

Here is a section of the edl's mission statement taken from there on website.

The English Defence League (EDL) is a human rights organisation that was founded in the wake of the shocking actions of a small group of Muslim extremists who, at a homecoming parade in Luton, openly mocked the sacrifices of our service personnel without any fear of censure. Although these actions were certainly those of a minority, we believe that they reflect other forms of religiously-inspired intolerance and barbarity that are thriving amongst certain sections of the Muslim population in Britain: including, but not limited to, the denigration and oppression of women, the molestation of young children, the committing of so-called honour killings, homophobia, anti-Semitism, and continued support for those responsible for terrorist atrocities.

Everyone of the crimes listed are committed by some members of every race and religion on the planet. But yet the edl specifically aim there hatred towards only Muslims committing these acts.

So how can anyone who joins them not be classed as racist? Please don't try and say its a religious thing and therefore its not racist because that's a smokescreen.

But i dont see the issue with what there doin ? I actually am glad ! I think the tier system needs to go and intergration to take place ! They are focusing on muslims etc but thats because its the fastest growing is it not ?

Im not saying there not racist etc theres always a racist in there somwhere in EVERY GROUP ! Im just saying what they are fighting for is good ! I cant remeber the last neo nazi group protesting ? Burning stuff ? Wishing police going to hell ? Telling kids there dads are murders ?

Or getting an 8 year old boy to stand up on a stage and wouldnt let him off the stage till he repeted god is a muslim or somthin !

 

[hammers4spanner]

japan has a system that deals very well with islam

 

[zeebeedee]

japan has a system that deals very well with islam

Which is?

 

[kay-jay]

japan has a system that deals very well with islam

you make it sound as though islam is something bad that needs to be dealt with.
when in fact it is no different to any other cross section of society in that amongst the law abiding peace loving majority there a a few nut jobs, and despite your blinkered view...yes, this does include white british people as well

 

[Gray0689]

you make it sound as though islam is something bad that needs to be dealt with.
when in fact it is no different to any other cross section of society in that amongst the law abiding peace loving majority there a a few nut jobs, and despite your blinkered view...yes, this does include white british people as well

A few
More like an epidemics and yes it is different most are law abiding citizens but I my honest opinion the most racist people are the Islamic

 

[kay-jay]

I my honest opinion the most racist people are the Islamic

and what, pray tell are you basing that little nugget of wisdom upon?

 

[Gray0689]

It's my opinion from what I have seen in Asian community's in England
And before you start I'm saying Islamic as in the ones who hate western couture and want sari law
NOT the normal Asian people

 

[Leo21]

It's my opinion from what I have seen in Asian community's in England
And before you start I'm saying Islamic as in the ones who hate western couture and want sari law
NOT the normal Asian people

I maybe miss informed but that's what I thought as well. Can anyone clarify?

 

[kay-jay]

It's my opinion from what I have seen in Asian community's in England
And before you start I'm saying Islamic as in the ones who hate western couture and want sari law
NOT the normal Asian people

which you will surely agree is the minority......

 

[on31ll]

But its different from every other religion because its the fastest growing for radicals in the uk !

 

[kay-jay]

But its different from every other religion because its the fastest growing for radicals in the uk !

and that is islams fault is it?
do you not see that it is a handful of individuals who are actively trying to cause mayhem and recruit impressionable and vulnerable young muslims who is the problem

individuals such as old hooky, who are committing illegal acts and are behaving in ways contrary to the teachings of their religion and much to the disagreement of the majority of other muslims. can you not see this?

 

[Gray0689]

which you will surely agree is the minority......

Yes I do
But it's also a big minority these days as I'm sure you will agree too

 

[on31ll]

Yes but how can you approach the situation without saying radical islam ? You cant just get up and say we need to rid this country of those people and when sombody says who or what people ? You just say you know who ! Call them radical and then you all jump on and say tar eith same brush !

Anyway i guess another sad and pathetic thing to come out of this is that help for heroes wont except any of the money raised by the EDL or its protesters ! There a charity i think they need to remeber that !

 

[on31ll]

Sad state of affairs when this is in advert for work

"We strongly encourage applicants from Black and Minority Ethnic Groups who are underrepresented in these teams."

 

[zeebeedee]

But its different from every other religion because its the fastest growing for radicals in the uk !

Probably because we keep blowing up there people on a daily basis. Look at iraq and the "wmd's" that didnt exist. We went in for oil and killed countless woman and children in the process. Perhaps we should be discussing what makes them turn to extremism in the first place.

 

[Gray0689]

Probably because we keep blowing up there people on a daily basis. Look at iraq and the "wmd's" that didnt exist. We went in for oil and killed countless woman and children in the process. Perhaps we should be discussing what makes them turn to extremism in the first place.

When you really know what your talking about comment
Iraq when invaded was not an Islamic extreme country
Pakistan is a hive of Islamic extremes parts of Africa the same
Are we blowing up there people there No
Twin towers where we blowing up there people then No
London bombings need I go on

 

[Gray0689]

Yes but how can you approach the situation without saying radical islam ? You cant just get up and say we need to rid this country of those people and when sombody says who or what people ? You just say you know who ! Call them radical and then you all jump on and say tar eith same brush !

Anyway i guess another sad and pathetic thing to come out of this is that help for heroes wont except any of the money raised by the EDL or its protesters ! There a charity i think they need to remeber that !

I don't blame H for H not taking there money
There running around going nazi solutes
If they could get away from that sort of scum
They they would get more normal members

 

[on31ll]

Probably because we keep blowing up there people on a daily basis. Look at iraq and the "wmd's" that didnt exist. We went in for oil and killed countless woman and children in the process. Perhaps we should be discussing what makes them turn to extremism in the first place.

So the people of iraq where not supportive ? They wernt all parading an happy when the statue of saddam was pulled down ?

And if we keep bombing their country what about the homegrown terrorists that convert to islam ? Not seen the army blowing up london so what they blane that on ?

 

[kay-jay]

Sad state of affairs when this is in advert for work

"We strongly encourage applicants from Black and Minority Ethnic Groups who are underrepresented in these teams."

Doesn't mean they will get the job though unless they are the best candidate for the job.

To do so would be illegal and is called positive discrimination.

 

[Gray0689]

Doesn't mean they will get the job though unless they are the best candidate for the job.

To do so would be illegal and is called positive discrimination.

Is it why was it that the police in Northern Ireland when under supported bye the Roman Catholic people openly could choose a catholic over a Protestant who had equal measures
Different scenario but was not illegal

And if you don't see positive discrimination going on your blind
Can't blame in some extent as some the youth of today especially in England don't want to work

 

[zeebeedee]

This says it all.

[video=youtube;aYd9qbRz2fc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYd9qbRz2fc&sns=em[/video]

 

[Gray0689]

This says it all.

[video=youtube;aYd9qbRz2fc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYd9qbRz2fc&sns=em[/video]

That shows a stupid individual who hasn't got a clue
Now look at the ones of Islamic fundamentals protesting
And the scary thing there is most are not stupid individuals they now exactly what there doing

That EDL scum was there to get drunk and have a fight
The Islamic one want you dead

 

[PlumbersMate]

This says it all.

[video=youtube;aYd9qbRz2fc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYd9qbRz2fc&sns=em[/video]

So tired of these vids. It's very easy to hen peck a div like that out, same ways I can show you videos of Muslims burning poppies and shouting death to British soldiers etc! Stop being so naive ffs! Funny how you won't chose a video of a normal EDL supporter who puts across a very good case etc STOP TARRING ALL EDL WITH THE SAME BRUSH, ESPECIALLY AS YOU'VE SAID YOURSELF STOP TARRING ALL MUSLIMS WITH THE SAME BRUSH!

 

[PlumbersMate]

Answer me this Zeb, I was at the American Embassy on 9/11 2 years ago with the EDL, we weren't allowed anywhere near it to hold a minutes silence and lay a wreath, yet the Muslims waving their black flags were allowed outside, that's right, directly outside the embassy to Burn an American flag, and shout venom and hate about America and Britain!

a member of the EDL tried to walk through, calm as a Hindu cow, to lay a wreath and he was ARRESTED! I didn't read this, I didn't watch it online, I witnessed it with my own eyes!

disgraceful

 

[zeebeedee]

So tired of these vids. It's very easy to hen peck a div like that out, same ways I can show you videos of Muslims burning poppies and shouting death to British soldiers etc! Stop being so naive ffs! Funny how you won't chose a video of a normal EDL supporter who puts across a very good case etc STOP TARRING ALL EDL WITH THE SAME BRUSH, ESPECIALLY AS YOU'VE SAID YOURSELF STOP TARRING ALL MUSLIMS WITH THE SAME BRUSH!

Tell you what. Show me a video of an edl member talking sense and not mindless racism and ill agree to disagree.

 

[SimonG]

Tell you what. Show me a video of an edl member talking sense and not mindless racism and ill agree to disagree.

You won't see one, simply because they won't interview somebody that would be able to express themselves and get their point of view in an understandable way. It doesn't make good telly, it's far easier to pick the one with his knuckles dragging on the floor that struggles to string three words together.

It all smacks of the 'Truman Show', life being edited on tv and social media so that the masses are pushed in a certain direction.

Our country is soft, there's no respect anymore and it seems to be just spiralling out of control.

I was born in Bradford and have seen racism first hand, but not racism as people see on the news but against whites. I personally don't believe racism or religion is the issue apart from individuals and groups hiding behind race and religion wreaking havoc.

Stripping away race and religion would make it far easier to deal with.

Woolwich would be two men arrested for murder. and this isn't trying to takeaway anything that happened.

 

[on31ll]

Now theres outrage because sombody in power wont see the edl as a far rught group !

The new head of police domestic extremist units was condemned today after denying that the English Defence League was a right-wing extremist group.
Detective Chief Superintendent Adrian Tudway, who took over the role of national co-ordinator for domestic extremism last week, claimed police had to walk a "tightrope" when targeting small groups which they believe are bent on violence.
Senior officers have gone on the offensive following the student protests and the resulting occupation of 30 Millbank two weeks ago, saying that more resources are being invested in identifying potential "flashpoints of disorder."
Mr Tudway said his officers were focusing on the "fringe" where protest "spills over" into violence and disorder.
His comments came on the eve of tomorrow's wave of protests against rising university fees.
The National Public Order Intelligence Unit, National Domestic Extremism team and National Extremism Tactical Co-ordination Unit employ about 100 people with a budget of £8.1 million.
The police units, which are set to be integrated into the Met Police under a rebranding exercise, have come under fire for using intrusive surveillance tactics to identify hundreds of people who have attended protests and then sharing the information with other forces.
However Mr Tudway insisted that intelligence officials do not examine the work of trade or student unions and went on to say that the EDL was not an extreme right-wing group.
"The present particular challenge to us, constitutionally, is they are not extreme right-wing organisations," he said.
"On the one hand, they are seen by many as the single biggest threat to community cohesion in the UK, but they are most certainly not extreme right-wing organisations."
Communist Party of Britain general secretary Rob Griffiths said that "nobody should be fooled" by the claim that the police to not monitor trade unions and student groups.
"It is well known from recent history that the intelligence services disrupt trade unions and the peace movement by targeting socialist and communist activists within them and making this the excuse for spreading the net across the whole organisation," he said.
"If he does not know the fascist affiliations of leading and founder members of the English Defence League then we should club together and buy him a subscription to Searchlight magazine, where he would find these links set out in fine detail."

 

[Howsie]

What is militant Islam?

A year after I turned four, to the day in fact. Surprisingly a year later I turned six.

 

[zeebeedee]

Did you not read the last paragraph of that?

 

[PlumbersMate]

Tell you what. Show me a video of an edl member talking sense and not mindless racism and ill agree to disagree.

Come to a meeting. As said, they won't publish any videos of EDL members talking sense, as it doesn't comply with the stereotypes.

 

[hammers4spanner]

A year after I turned four, to the day in fact. Surprisingly a year later I turned six.

If you can count then you can read

 

[zeebeedee]

Come to a meeting. As said, they won't publish any videos of EDL members talking sense, as it doesn't comply with the stereotypes.

Id rather stick pins in my eyes if im being honest!

 

[on31ll]

Yer but what im saying is nobody want to stand out like he did ! There racist people in the workd and im sure there is some in the edl ! But what there doing is what i am supporting !

 

[PlumbersMate]

Id rather stick pins in my eyes if im being honest!

Well likewise with regards to living under sharia law

 

[Howsie]

If you can count then you can read

What I meant by my original question, was what do you think it means?

 

[Howsie]

Well likewise with regards to living under sharia law

Come on, that would never happen in this country.

 

[Howsie]

Come to a meeting. As said, they won't publish any videos of EDL members talking sense, as it doesn't comply with the stereotypes.

Can't find any on YouTube. Surely there must be something out there that the media can't suppress?

 

[Keefy]

Can't find any on YouTube. Surely there must be something out there that the media can't suppress?

The likes of YouTube and facebook remove stuff like this too.

 

[Howsie]

They don't if its not offensive and within the law.

 

[Keefy]

They don't if its not offensive and within the law.

Depends who it offends I suppose. Here's one recent example of how facebook suppresses free speech: Exclusive: Facebook censors pictures of children rallying against GMOs during global March Against Monsanto

 

[zeebeedee]

Well likewise with regards to living under sharia law

That sums it up really! Its never going to happen!!!! Even most of the muslims dont want it!

The edl are scum they would not stop at banning islam in this country anything that was non british white hetrosexual would be next!

 

[zeebeedee]

Youtube is not the only website that can put.videos.on the net. Why dont the edl put there own videos up on there own website explaining what there about. Ill tell you why because any with half a brain would smell facists a mile away!

 

[zeebeedee]

Love this!

BBC News - York Mosque praised for offering EDL protesters tea

Best thing about that article is that only 6 people from the whole of Yorkshire took part!

 

[Keefy]

Slightly off topic but I wonder if the Saudi King's death will cause a stir? I would link to the report but the Daily Mail has removed/suppressed it.

 

[on31ll]

Are you kidding me ? The edl put videos up everywhere and withing hours tere taken down !

If your againest them so much explain why police said only 1.5k showed up to protest ? When it was really 7k odd ?

Why have the new crews not put the interviews from the edl on air ? Or on website ? They wouldnt of wanted to interview him for nothing ? Is it because they wanted a riot then twist words that where said afterwards ?

Why was the little lad that was made to get onstage and shout god was a muslim not reported everywhere ? If the edl leader shouted all muslims are really catholics there would be riots !

 

[on31ll]

Come on, that would never happen in this country.

That what got us in that mess in firstplace !

Theyve been given everything else they want ! That law was passed where a certain religion carry little sword things (scabbers ? That what there called) we would get arrested for carrying a knife ?

 

[Gray0689]

Come on, that would never happen in this country.

It is happening already

 

[PlumbersMate]

That sums it up really! Its never going to happen!!!! Even most of the muslims dont want it!

The edl are scum they would not stop at banning islam in this country anything that was non british white hetrosexual would be next!

Total bullsheet IMHO

 

[PlumbersMate]

That sums it up really! Its never going to happen!!!! Even most of the muslims dont want it!

The edl are scum they would not stop at banning islam in this country anything that was non british white hetrosexual would be next!

Now you're making total rubbish up to try make yourself justified. When have they said anything homophobic?? Or anything racist to black people etc?
Yet I've seen Muslims be homophobic AND racist, but because they ain't chavv thugs its ok by you!

You have shown yourself up at least 3 times on this thread and your lack of facts about the EDL is frightening?

 

[Keefy]

You lot voted the puppets who have let this happen in so why don't you vote them out?

 

[on31ll]

Now you're making total rubbish up to try make yourself justified. When have they said anything homophobic?? Or anything racist to black people etc?
Yet I've seen Muslims be homophobic AND racist, but because they ain't chavv thugs its ok by you!

You have shown yourself up at least 3 times on this thread and your lack of facts about the EDL is frightening?

Theres actually a really big gay section in EDL ! There a LGBT section init ! Please just watch the last protest on saturday there was them flags being flown those rainbow type ones ! If they where againest them surly with them being "thugs" wouldnt they beat them up ?

 

[on31ll]

Get as much as you want if you read or listen to new about how bad EDL are but whats been on news about this today ? Not alot atall !

 

[zeebeedee]

Read this and then think if it was the other way around would you deface an Iraqi memorial because I would! Before you believe facist groups like the edl have a think about our governments foreign policies that bred the hatred in the first place.


All in the name of oil, not wmds or the liberation of Iraq, because our government only give two fuc ks about big business and profit! If not then why have they never gone in to Zimbabwe? Simple answer there's no oil there!

 

[zeebeedee]

Now you're making total rubbish up to try make yourself justified. When have they said anything homophobic?? Or anything racist to black people etc?
Yet I've seen Muslims be homophobic AND racist, but because they ain't chavv thugs its ok by you!

You have shown yourself up at least 3 times on this thread and your lack of facts about the EDL is frightening?

I think we need to agree to disagree! We are clearly both of a totally different mindset!

 

[Keefy]

Who defaced the memorial with the word ISLAM?

 

[on31ll]

Theres saying it could be muslims or far right rebels but you know who there gonna blame ! And its 3 letters !

 

[on31ll]

And the 3 letters aint YOU keefy !

 

[Keefy]

Theres saying it could be muslims or far right rebels but you know who there gonna blame ! And its 3 letters !

MI5 (one of those is a number but whatever).

 

[Howsie]

That what got us in that mess in firstplace !

Theyve been given everything else they want ! That law was passed where a certain religion carry little sword things (scabbers ? That what there called) we would get arrested for carrying a knife ?

Again, utter rubbish.

 

[Howsie]

Get as much as you want if you read or listen to new about how bad EDL are but whats been on news about this today ? Not alot atall !

And this justifies your point how exactly? Please explain in detail why you have posted this picture

 

[kay-jay]

Again, utter rubbish.

Actually he is right in this occasion.
It is the 'kirpan' carried by baptized sikhs.
The united kingdom allows it as it is one of the 5 'articles of faith' of sikhism

However given the fact that kirpan means peace and isn't used as a weapon i fail to see the danger.
I often grab a pint after work with a Stanley or a hacking knife in my possession but given the fact that they are tools of the trade that also isn't illegal

 

[zeebeedee]

Again, utter rubbish.

Its unbelievable the rubbish edl supporters believe isn't it!

 

[Rickster123]

This is why no good comes from politics and religion on a plumbing forum. Causes nothing but bad feeling. Look at the way this thread has gone. Is it any wonder on a grander scale that war breaks out.

 

[Howsie]

Actually he is right in this occasion.
It is the 'kirpan' carried by baptized sikhs.
The united kingdom allows it as it is one of the 5 'articles of faith' of sikhism

However given the fact that kirpan means peace and isn't used as a weapon i fail to see the danger.
I often grab a pint after work with a Stanley or a hacking knife in my possession but given the fact that they are tools of the trade that also isn't illegal

Sorry I was referring to the first point.

 

[Howsie]

This is why no good comes from politics and religion on a plumbing forum. Causes nothing but bad feeling. Look at the way this thread has gone. Is it any wonder on a grander scale that war breaks out.

No bad feeling here. I'm shocked that people believe the crap that's reported in the media; the tabloids have a lot to answer for.

 

[Keefy]

A person gets killed by someone who doesn't like the British government's overseas policies and a gang of plumbers argue with each other over it.

 

[Rickster123]

No bad feeling here. I'm shocked that people believe the crap that's reported in the media; the tabloids have a lot to answer for.

The trouble is religion and politics are all a matter of opinion. And people's opinions will never be the same.

 

[Leo21]

Again, utter rubbish.

Really? A certain religion is aloud to carry a knife and ride motorcycles without crash helmets! Now I was lead to believe we are all equal. Just some seem to be more equal than others.
dont mistake this for a racist rant, it's facts.

 

[hammers4spanner]

I would agree its becoming mud slinging and i aint on here for that so i'm out of this topic now so offski is i to moan about crap copper fittings or something

 

[zeebeedee]

Peace!

 

[Gray0689]

I would agree its becoming mud slinging and i aint on here for that so i'm out of this topic now so offski is i to moan about crap copper fittings or something

Agree

 

[Howsie]

Really? A certain religion is aloud to carry a knife and ride motorcycles without crash helmets! Now I was lead to believe we are all equal. Just some seem to be more equal than others.
dont mistake this for a racist rant, it's facts.

It's embedded in their beliefs and its been respected by us and them. I don't recall a Sikh stabbing someone with their ceremonial knife. I have no problem with it.

You will always find extremist views. Those Islam militant are extremists and those EDL loons are to. You will find good and bad in everything in lift but sadly some people are intent on finding the bad and shouting about it.

I'll cite religion as an example, many times its been said that priest are kiddy fiddlers and people are stupid to believe in a god. That person has no understand of a persons faith or the huge amount of good done by the people that believe in it.

 

[Leo21]

Should be one rule for all, regardless.

 

[Gray0689]

It's embedded in their beliefs and its been respected by us and them. I don't recall a Sikh stabbing someone with their ceremonial knife. I have no problem with it.

You will always find extremist views. Those Islam militant are extremists and those EDL loons are to. You will find good and bad in everything in lift but sadly some people are intent on finding the bad and shouting about it.

I'll cite religion as an example, many times its been said that priest are kiddy fiddlers and people are stupid to believe in a god. That person has no understand of a persons faith or the huge amount of good done by the people that believe in it.

I will cite religion too
There has been more people killed in the name of religion than any one disease in the world

 

[SimonG]

I will cite religion too
There has been more people killed in the name of religion than any one disease in the world

That's pretty frightening when you think that the 1918 Spanish flu killed upto 5% of the world's population at the time (upto 100 million people) by itself.

 

[hammers4spanner]

malaria????

 

[PlumbersMate]

It's embedded in their beliefs and its been respected by us and them. I don't recall a Sikh stabbing someone with their ceremonial knife. I have no problem with it.

You will always find extremist views. Those Islam militant are extremists and those EDL loons are to. You will find good and bad in everything in lift but sadly some people are intent on finding the bad and shouting about it.

I'll cite religion as an example, many times its been said that priest are kiddy fiddlers and people are stupid to believe in a god. That person has no understand of a persons faith or the huge amount of good done by the people that believe in it.

so because I've been to EDL marches would you class me as an extremist? Genuine question?
you also believe that people have been brainwashed by the media, I would argue you have to.
as in rather than witness the EDL for yourself and make your own opinion you believe all the rubbish published in the media and make a judgement that way.

just like to say nothing personal with anyone on here but I'm sick of everyone branding everyone that's been with EDL as the same, the majority are good lads, but as always only the negative will get reported, that's what sells the papers.

im English, I've got no problem whatsoever with foreign people of any race or whatever coming here as long as they respect our history and what we hold dear. I was raised to always respect our heroes and it breaks my heart when people are allowed to abuse them

 

[Gray0689]

malaria????

No
Religion is more than anything

 

[SimonG]

malaria????

About a million a year, historically.

 

[Gray0689]

so because I've been to EDL marches would you class me as an extremist? Genuine question?
you also believe that people have been brainwashed by the media, I would argue you have to.
as in rather than witness the EDL for yourself and make your own opinion you believe all the rubbish published in the media and make a judgement that way.

just like to say nothing personal with anyone on here but I'm sick of everyone branding everyone that's been with EDL as the same, the majority are good lads, but as always only the negative will get reported, that's what sells the papers.

im English, I've got no problem whatsoever with foreign people of any race or whatever coming here as long as they respect our history and what we hold dear. I was raised to always respect our heroes and it breaks my heart when people are allowed to abuse them

I'm not against some of EDLs political views its the neo nazi crap that goes along with it all
If they got rid of that rubbish I do believe there would be a lot more people getting involved
But I served 10 years in army and to see that ****e makes my blood boil

 

[hammers4spanner]

About a million a year, historically.

thats alot of deaths from an insect !!

 

[SimonG]

thats alot of deaths from an insect !!

Target is near 0 by 2015.

 

[PlumbersMate]

I'm not against some of EDLs political views its the neo nazi crap that goes along with it all
If they got rid of that rubbish I do believe there would be a lot more people getting involved
But I served 10 years in army and to see that ****e makes my blood boil

Yes I know it's so frustrating when you get the divs who spout the rubbish it lets Down the hard work of others. This week has been even harder as EDL has won a lot more support but then you'll get idiots on Facebook saying kick all Muslims out etc and this then gets associated with the views of EDL as a whole, which isn't the case

 

[SimonG]

Bubonic plague (black death) had a couple of good goes as well. But a much smaller global population.

 

[hammers4spanner]

Bubonic plague (black death) had a couple of good goes as well. But a much smaller global population.

third of the populace if i recall

whats that about 2015??

 

[Keefy]

I still think a single dedicated politics thread (maybe one for religion also) is the way forward for this forum - in the 'Arms. Keep any differences of opinion within them and don't let it affect the general good natured banter between members on the open forum. We're all big enough and ugly enough to accept we may not agree on politics and religion and that it's not a good enough reason for anyone to continue bearing personal grudges outside the said (proposed) dedicated threads.

Maybe just one single thread entitled something like 'News, Politics & Religion', then we can also discuss current affairs or latest news events all in one place.

 

[SimonG]

third of the populace if i recall

whats that about 2015??

There hoping to get to near zero deaths by 2015 for Malaria. I think it's a tough target and probably wouldn't account for deaths from recurring Malaria.

 

[hammers4spanner]

never knew that ,
never sure tho if its a good thing tampering with nature sometimes think as nasty as some things are its there for a reason

 

[PlumbersMate]

There hoping to get to near zero deaths by 2015 for Malaria. I think it's a tough target and probably wouldn't account for deaths from recurring Malaria.

I'm not big or ugly lol