Would you give a CP12 to this boiler?

[Matt-London]

Here's a nice Sunday evening poll ...

I had a new Worcester combi installed in a rental property. It wasn't the easiest job due to the location so I got a (reputable!) builder to make the area good.

You can't argue they did a nice job (see photo) ... but I expected them to leave the minimum 5mm around the edges as per standard installation instructions. Instead, they filled this gap with caulk so there's no gap top/left/right.

There's plenty of ventilation as it's a huge void behind. The front fascia panel drops down fine and there are inspection ports for the flue below and above. Removing the outer case is possible but it will need to recaulked each time.

My worry is the annual CP12.

Question - Would you give a CP12 assuming there are no boiler issues? Or should I get the builders back to alter it to give better access?

Thanks in advance!

 

[ShaunCorbs]

😀 nope how you supposed to repair the boiler if you cant remove the case and get at the ports

 

[Sharp Point]

That’s just silly

 

[Sharp Point]

Can’t even get to the fga port neither

 

[Scott_D]

You have to cut and re-caulk it each time the front comes off?

 

[Harvest Fields]

You have to cut and re-caulk it each time the front comes off?

I would redo anything. That’s the customers job.

 

[king of pipes]

Sorry to say no chance Matt that will all have to come out no GSI will certificate the boiler like that needs these clearences bud . cheers kop

 

[townfanjon]

Sake !!!!!

 

[Scott_1979]

Beyond stupid, at least there’s a decent flue inspection hatch !

 

[Harvest Fields]

Do not know what is with engineers nowadays. Beyond stupid.

 

[firemant]

Do you guys not actually understand what a CP12 is?
They have been around for years, and yet we still get threads and responses as those above.

A CP12 is a record of the state of the system AT THE TIME OF INSPECTION. It is NOT a pass or fail. Do the checks, record the findings, issue the CP12 with recommendations as applicable. Apply the GIUSP as and if required. Invoice, get paid. Move on and await further instructions to rectify if required.

So, yes, obviously I would do the job as requested, and issue the cert

 

[king of pipes]

Have to dissagree bud you cant even do a flue gas analysis on the boiler there is no access to the test points so how can you compleate a CP12 .kop

 

[heatservice]

In the 45+ years I spent in the trade I saw some stupid things, like a garage to kitchen conversion where the new cement screed had left the old Thorn M floor standing boiler buried 2 inches.

 

[leelister6]

Have to dissagree bud you cant even do a flue gas analysis on the boiler there is no access to the test points so how can you compleate a CP12 .kop

I would have thought class boiler as A/R, turn off and isolate, fill out paperwork, advise customer, get paid and foxtrot oscar

 

[king of pipes]

Shaun the encyclopedia of plumbing and heating knowledge will be along shortly to classify it bud . kop

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Ar but leave on tbh it's one of those filling in the paperwork would take more time than to make it right

 

[Dunlopplumbing]

This just highlights one of the shortcomings of the whole system. Technically leaving it like that means it is not fitted as per manufacturer's instructions, but is it really a risk? I come across this type of installation occasionally, and until recently I was able to mark it as "not to current standards" and advise the tenant & landlord to make the improvements needed. Now my options are "Is installation a risk to life", answer no, or "does a situation exist that may lead to an unsafe situation", answer no. The only problem is, that every time it is checked, it will take longer than a normal check, because the plaster would have to be cut back to carry out the necessary checks, for which I would charge extra, and then it would need to be left cut back or repaired by others. Personally I would advise cutting it back to within manufacturer's instructions, and then putting a clip on or magnetic cover in front of it. The thing I would be most bothered about, is if I was called out to work on it, what a pain that would be.

 

[Captain.rick]

I would say that needs to come.off for me to do the inspection and it needs x amount of gap as per manufacturer instructions.
Builders don't know all the rules and regs they just think I'll build a box round that to make it look good etc

As for cp12. No I wouldn't issue one without being able to do fga. If I could test it then yes I would pass it with the recommendation of removing the box as per manufacturer instructions.

 

[Paul Mc]

Not sure how any gas safe engineer is happy to issue a CP12 on a boiler that he has been unable to remove the boiler casing and check the internal components, not for me