Fga's are they really needed ?

[kirkgas]

No you dont need to buy a FGA if your work does not require you to use one. As you say on new installs most manufactures do not require you to use one, that said i have heard that some Gas Safe inspectors are now expecting to see them being used on new installs.

If you do HA/Counsil work tho you may find that they will start requesting analyser readings on new installs, 2 of my local counsils now insist on having readings on new installs.

i totally agree with this point, be careful of "contract conditions" which are more strict than the regs, as you have priced to give a FGA print out on a service or install, you cant go back and bleat that it isnt a legal requirement when the customer will simply say "yes we know that but it is a contract requirement that you have included in your tender quote, now go back and do a print out of the 40 boilers you have just done, as we aint gonna pay you until we have the print out"

 

[kirkgas]

i would lay money that by next year all boilers will demand an fga test for new instals .Those that dont ask for now dont as it could reduce their market share once we all have to have it they will ask for it

the key word her is "ALL", if they all stick together and do it then it could happen, but i can guarantee you from conversations from those within the R&D side, that one reason some manufacturers dont make it mandatory to set up/check with FGA on install is to and i quote "catch the cheaper end of the market who simply want a boiler fitted as cheap as possible" and by removing the need to check with FGA there are installers who choose these boilers as they dont need to buy and calibrate FGA's for all their teams, its the same as the tech departments who want it mandatory for benchmark or similar or they refuse a warrenty call, the ales side had a hairy fit when this was suggested as a way of increasing chance of a legal install, the sales team seen it as a suicide mission if others will do warrenty calls for any boiler, in effect ensuring the homer market still buys their boiler, if you make it too strict then the homer market goes to another make simple as that, dont think these rules and regs are ever about safety, thats niaive

 

[stevetheplumber]

the key word her is "ALL", if they all stick together and do it then it could happen, but i can guarantee you from conversations from those within the R&D side, that one reason some manufacturers dont make it mandatory to set up/check with FGA on install is to and i quote "catch the cheaper end of the market who simply want a boiler fitted as cheap as possible" and by removing the need to check with FGA there are installers who choose these boilers as they dont need to buy and calibrate FGA's for all their teams, its the same as the tech departments who want it mandatory for benchmark or similar or they refuse a warrenty call, the ales side had a hairy fit when this was suggested as a way of increasing chance of a legal install, the sales team seen it as a suicide mission if others will do warrenty calls for any boiler, in effect ensuring the homer market still buys their boiler, if you make it too strict then the homer market goes to another make simple as that, dont think these rules and regs are ever about safety, thats niaive

the answer to this is its about time the boiler manufacturers where brought into the dracion regime that we fitters are subjected to
there have been several examples over the years of manufacturers skirting round the egs to gain a market lead which resulted in some very borderline boilers safety wise