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Dotty
I had to run a genny in the back of my van earlier this year because it was too large to pull out on my own. I had all the doors open while I was working but thought i'd leave a CO monitor on the dashboard while i was working.
Bearing in mind the van was ventilated and there's a bulkhead fitted the CO detector peaked at 470ppm after only 5 minutes running! (I was fusion welding an LPG service pipe in the middle of a field.)
Needless to say I made sure the genny was turned off and all the doors remained open a good half hour before I got in the van!
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Billy Bob Bob
if you dont like the way we promote gas safety on this site bernie or agree with the orange headings we would rather you not contribute to the forums,you are on some sort of mission to undermine what we are trying to achieve there is no secret club we just dot want anyone to die by the advice given on here
atleast you used your head.
it does not take very long for co off a generator to get to dangerous levels. In the USA there are alot of deaths every year from generators, They keep them for backup power when hurricane/twister season hit. Many get them out and use them in there safe room/shelter when the powers down.
you also have to take into consideration your PLI, my old policy required a generator to be used 3m from property to avoid fire damage. I worked on a site many years ago where the plasterer filled his up while smoking, he drop his *** and it when up. His problem was the generator was inside the front door and it burnt half the house down.
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Bernie2
We can all do stupid things Croppie and publish it on the website making others think its okay. Seems to me we might be using a set of double standards which says some people can do what ever they want but others must do as they are told. One of the main safety factors is knowledge. A popular DIY expert was on the TV recently and said, I know all about how that thing works but I am not qualified to fix it. It was his knowledge that stopped him DIYing not his ignorance. Incidentally you and "gas man" give me the impression that you now own this site now or is Dan still the boss?Incidentally I was once a moderator on the site for a short time, so I know how far your brief extends. Its a Plumbers forum not a gas fitters and one that is supposedly welcome to all, so lets be a bit more tolerant to others please. If you want to keep things secret go off line and e-mail each other, secrecy is not what a forum is supposed to be about. I know what your viewpoint is, I just do not agree with it that is all. But you seem to project a threatening and bullying attitude all the time, perhaps not intentionally but you still seem to do it.
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Dotty
Think I understand why you were a mod for only a short while. If a point blank "NO! These are the forum rules! You need to be of the class of person who is proven and qualified to work on gas and gas appliances as described in the Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regulations 1998." cannot be understood nor comprehended then there is something seriously wrong with that individual.
And if you see that as threatening or bullying then you have led a very sheltered life!
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Markus
In my experience you have to know who you are dealing with before giving out advise relating to gas work and the context it will be used for. A piece of advise may cover one point, what about the other five points that have to be tested for the work to be safe. A little knowledge can be dangerous, all for the forum rules myself
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Bernie2
Markus, if we ask ourselves, did the people who taught us gas fitting ask whether we where suitable to know it, answers that question. I am all for people knowing about gas, its just that the courses relating to safety should be free. The training of gas fitters in the past was usually undertaken mostly by the companies who wanted to use gas fitters. The modern idea of courses leaves it open to anybody so there is no real point in asking who is suitable to know about gas and who is not. As I have said before there is nothing wrong with giving advice it is the person who receives the advices responsibility to use it properly. The same way as a gas tutor views it when he teaches students. So if you inform people about the legal requirements of gas fitting before you tell them and give a disclaimer there is no real reason why you should not tell people.
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Kyle87
I don't agree. That's like saying here's a gun. Ill tell you how to use it but if you kill someone that's your fault not mine.
People who undertake gas training have spent a lot of money on it. Like me. They are potential engineers. And obviously seek gas registration in the future.
People on the open forum may be potential engineers also with good intentions ( like myself ). But they may also be diyers or cowboys looking to abuse the info they receive. I
Don't blame ukpf for not taking the chance.
I'd love to be in the GSR only forum as I'd learn a ton. But I understand why I'm not allowed.
Bernie......give up the fight mate!!
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Gary71
Thats where you're argument falls down, trusting others to work safely, stupid people(their out there:hammer: )rarely know they are stupid so shouldn't be encouraged to fiddle by a Internet forum, although that goes against my views on natural selection.
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Ray Stafford
Right with you there. If someone could guarantee me that idiots would only do DIY gas jobs on their own detatched houses, miles from neighbours, and before they had polluted the gene pool with more little idiots, I would be all for letting them loose.
Unfortunately, it always seems to be an innocent family member, neighbour or tenant that pays the price.
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Dotty
As is proven here -
BBC News - Gas fitter charged over teenage Castlerock deaths
And no, he wasn't GSR!
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Bernie2
Yes it is true gas fitters have been charged with manslaughter over bad jobs. But many of them have been GSR registered. Is the problem one of course cost recovery or are we trying to protect our work? Both of which have nothing to so with safety. A forum is supposed to be a place where people can give an opinion to those who ask not a closed club. I have no idea if all GSR gas fitters are any good or not if they blow people up as well as DIYers. It seems to me that just being GSR is thought to make a person a perfect gas fitter, I imagine that is not true. No wonder people and customers do not trust you to be fair to them and are possibly rip off merchants. The market needs opening up with competition to get realistic pricing. But while we have expensive courses that is hardly likely to happen. That is not working in the publics best interest and warning people about how they might get ripped off by unethical trades people is a public service. Telling people their likely problem is a £2.50 thermocouple may save them £100's of pounds or question their bill. As to safety knowing when your boiler or gas stove needs attention is paramount. Having worked as a Plumber/gas fitter for more years than I care to mention I know how neglectful of their own safety through ignorance people can be. Inform them and they just might do something about it, don't inform them and it usually proves they do not. So proper informed information is a key point in safety.
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Kyle87
So you advise a thermocouple and customer saves a few hundred quid.
But fails to recognise the cow horns that they paint over every year as a threat and now you helped them get their appliance working, YOU have out them in danger because you are not there to see the job. Just giving advice over a forum!!
But fails to recognise the cow horns that they paint over every year as a threat and now you helped them get their appliance working, YOU have out them in danger because you are not there to see the job. Just giving advice over a forum!!
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Bernie2
Hmm! Unless you live in the house with the person and inspect the appliance every time it is used you would never know when it was going wrong. It is impractical for you to do so. Just explain to the people, with that knowledge they can work it out for themselves. I imagine most people get killed through gas accidents because they don't know the dangers than those who do. When I have worked d on properties with blocked internal air vents once explained to the customer why it is important to keep them clear they seem to change their mind about blocking them up. Once you explain to a customer that the explosions in the boiler are late ignition gas valve problems they usually get it fixed. What is it with you guys and gas safety? it is not rocket science or a state secret its a matter of all our safety the more people know the safer it will probably be.
its one thing talking face to face with a customer, its another thing giving advise to a stranger on an open forum. Yes this stranger could be full of common sense and a skilled diyer but this person is more likely to be a builder, unregisterd engineer or landlord. If you have a way of knowing the difference please share it with us?
if your new neighbour that moved in next door yesterday knocked on your door and asked to borrow your u gauge because hes fixing the boiler and read on the internet how to test his gas supply would you be concerned??
if your new neighbour that moved in next door yesterday knocked on your door and asked to borrow your u gauge because hes fixing the boiler and read on the internet how to test his gas supply would you be concerned??
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Kyle87
I've got no problem with explaining why the ventilation is there.
But telling a customer how to calculate required ventilation would be arming them to attempt DIY gas work and run the risk of getting it wrong.
The point I am personally making is we shouldn't be giving people the kind of advice that may lead to an attempt of the work being carried out.
Explaining somethings can be a good thing,
Like why customers shouldn't put a high level grill on the very top out of the way so they can warm plates for a Sunday dinner.
But telling a customer how to calculate required ventilation would be arming them to attempt DIY gas work and run the risk of getting it wrong.
The point I am personally making is we shouldn't be giving people the kind of advice that may lead to an attempt of the work being carried out.
Explaining somethings can be a good thing,
Like why customers shouldn't put a high level grill on the very top out of the way so they can warm plates for a Sunday dinner.
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