Budget boiler recommendations + quote

[kriket]

Please let us know how you got on, what boiler you chose and how much you had to pay for installation, would be interested to know if a GSR would do it for £300 all in

Best of luck with your search

will do. Anyone else know whether "pro combi" is any good? as regards to the post number 16 by "Ray Stafford"?

 

[GasmanxxxR1]

Sorry, but I wouldn't be suppling and fitting a boiler for a Grand, I'm sure some people would, so beware!!

Who would in their right minds supply and fit for £1000, rock bottom prices if you've nought else to do and love your job that much!

Cant believe this guy

 

[kriket]

gasman, I am just here to get recommendations on a budget boiler. Someone else mentioned that GSRs can install it for £300, and i am just quoting that. So pls can we just chat about boilers only? Heatline caprizeplus, ideal logic+ or independent or pro combi?

 

[Ray Stafford]

see u guys are not getting the point. If a GSR is going to supply and install the same "ideal independent" boiler for £1200, I might as well get the same boiler for £600 and pay a willing GSR £300 to install. Of course, you as a GSR will like more but there might be a GSR who might be willing to do the job for £300. Each to their own. (infact I already have a GSR who might be willing to do it for the price as he does all the other plumbing at a discount as well) And I am still getting the 5 year parts and labor warranty with the brand. Totally understand, that you have to make a living , but if I can get a boiler myself with warranty for much else, and have a GSR who is willing to install , why should I not go that route especially if we have a tight budget.

You make a reasonable point, but I think that there is something you are also missing.

I should make it clear that I am not an engineer, I am a wholesaler.

If you buy the boiler from whatever source (not us, we only sell trade) and then get a GSR installer to put it in labour only, thats fine, until there is a problem.

Who owns that problem? The manufacturer will claim faulty installation. The GSR will rightly say "not interested mate, I sold you xx hours of time for £yy". Call the manufacturer.

Answer - you own the problem. And putting it right will cost you way more than paying for a quality install in the first place.

But of course it may be fine. If so, you win. If not, you lose.

 

[GasmanxxxR1]

Ideal logic or independent

Wouldnt touch the other two

 

[kriket]

You make a reasonable point, but I think that there is something you are also missing.

I should make it clear that I am not an engineer, I am a wholesaler.

If you buy the boiler from whatever source (not us, we only sell trade) and then get a GSR installer to put it in labour only, thats fine, until there is a problem.

Who owns that problem? The manufacturer will claim faulty installation. The GSR will rightly say "not interested mate, I sold you xx hours of time for £yy". Call the manufacturer.

Answer - you own the problem. And putting it right will cost you way more than paying for a quality install in the first place.

But of course it may be fine. If so, you win. If not, you lose.

thanks for clarifying this. Now you put it like that, and obv whats the point of 5 year warranty if they r not going to honor it.

Seems like I might just have to get a few GSRs to look at the property

 

[Killy Bing]

gasman, I am just here to get recommendations on a budget boiler. Someone else mentioned that GSRs can install it for £300, and i am just quoting that. So pls can we just chat about boilers only? Heatline caprizeplus, ideal logic+ or independent or pro combi?

As much as i wish i could say choose the capriz to teach you a life lesson, even i'm not that vindictive.
ive removed over a dozen in the past year alone.

Pro combi ive only seen one, it was 2/3 years old and we were pulling it out.
the ideals i have no idea

 

[Alpha man]

Logic Plus with the 7 year warranty!

 

[kriket]

As much as i wish i could say choose the capriz to teach you a life lesson, even i'm not that vindictive.
ive removed over a dozen in the past year alone.

Pro combi ive only seen one, it was 2/3 years old and we were pulling it out.
the ideals i have no idea

appreciate it mainly cos I was interested in heatline in the first place cos GSRs like the one on reviewcentre gave it 5 stars. Otherwise, how else do people like myself come to know about such boilers.

seems like I might have to increase my budget to 1200-1300

 

[Ray Stafford]

thanks for clarifying this. Now you put it like that, and obv whats the point of 5 year warranty if they r not going to honor it.

Ah - the heart of the problem.

You are thinking of a boiler as a stand alone appliance, like a fridge, or a washing machine.

It isn't.

A boiler is a component in a larger system - your central heating and hot water system. That system is complex, and every one is slightly different.

The warranty is fine IF its a boiler problem. But if the problem is caused by your system, then the warranty is void.

Just for one example - your installer on a budget doesn't flush the system properly. A bit of muck from the old system gets into the new boiler, and blocks the heat exchanger.

Why should the boiler warranty cover that?

And that's just the commonest issue.

 

[Ray Stafford]

Pro combi ive only seen one, it was 2/3 years old and we were pulling it out.

If you were pulling out a 2/3 yr old one, it was probably a vokera - I think they were making Pro-combi in 2010/11.

 

[Alpha man]

appreciate it mainly cos I was interested in heatline in the first place cos GSRs like the one on reviewcentre gave it 5 stars. Otherwise, how else do people like myself come to know about such boilers.

seems like I might have to increase my budget to 1200-1300

Dont forget most GSR peeps are VAT registered, so add that to the 1200-1300.

 

[kriket]

Ah - the heart of the problem.

You are thinking of a boiler as a stand alone appliance, like a fridge, or a washing machine.

It isn't.

A boiler is a component in a larger system - your central heating and hot water system. That system is complex, and every one is slightly different.

The warranty is fine IF its a boiler problem. But if the problem is caused by your system, then the warranty is void.

Just for one example - your installer on a budget doesn't flush the system properly. A bit of muck from the old system gets into the new boiler, and blocks the heat exchanger.

Why should the boiler warranty cover that?

And that's just the commonest issue.

yeah u have clarified everything for me mate. might just decide to get the part fixed for the old boiler for now until I see fit to fork out for a decent boiler with 7 year warranty and obv fitted properly by a GSR.

 

[Killy Bing]

appreciate it mainly cos I was interested in heatline in the first place cos GSRs like the one on reviewcentre gave it 5 stars. Otherwise, how else do people like myself come to know about such boilers.

Heatlines are readily available to the public, whats better than having the customer buy it, you bash it in charge £££. Ignore any issues as you didn't supply it. After a few years fold company and start anew.

or install it, soon as it goes wrong, charge through the nose to repair it.

i only install vailliants, worcester bosch and intergas boilers.
im just starting out and i lose work because i wont offer bottom line boilers, pricing me out of some work.
why?
because i intend to look after my customers.
not install a problem and get a bad rep.

as i get familiar with other boilers i might offer them!

 

[kriket]

thanks guys. also, what do u think about the british gas £400 scrappage deal. They probably charge £3000 when a GSR would do it for 1500

edit - they do

 

[Chalked]

thanks guys. also, what do u think about the british gas £400 scrappage deal. They probably charge £3000 when a GSR would do it for 1500

My next door neighbour has a british gas contract, two weeks ago his Combi, (ideal) split the heat exchanger.
Boiler not worth repairing so british gas gave him a quote with £800 discount and £400 scrapage.

The quote for a easy swap was ....... £4240.. Inc vat ... Bargain.
They put it on to knock it off.

 

[kriket]

and what about those GSRs on ebay offering to supply AND fit a 32kw Ferroli with a 5-7 year warraty for £900. (i would post link but cant and u can check listing for yourself). Again, I am not just trying to go for the cheap option. I am trying to get my head round the fact that if they are willing to cover for 5-7 years for £1000, then does it matter if the boiler is a ferroli or a vaillant? I mean sure vaillant is better brand but I will be covered the same for 5-7 years, and even a vaillant or a woscestor can go dead after say 5-7 years when out of warranty. thought?

 

[Chalked]

and what about those GSRs on ebay offering to supply AND fit a 32kw Ferroli with a 5-7 year warraty for £900. (i would post link but cant and u can check listing for yourself). Again, I am not just trying to go for the cheap option. I am trying to get my head round the fact that if they are willing to cover for 5-7 years for £1000, then does it matter if the boiler is a ferroli or a vaillant? I mean sure vaillant is better brand but I will be covered the same for 5-7 years, and even a vaillant or a woscestor can go dead after say 5-7 years when out of warranty. thought?

Not seen the eBay ad but I bet it's FROM £900 . As soon as they see the job the quote goes up.

its just to tempt you.

 

[kriket]

Not seen the eBay ad but I bet it's FROM £900 . As soon as they see the job the quote goes up.

its just to tempt you.

its not from. and the feedbacks are good so probably not a bad GSR, its probably that price cos the brand is crap. But thats what I am asking. If they are covering me for 5-7 years, what does it matter if i have a ferroli or vaillant.

 

[Ray Stafford]

Yep, I sell boilers from £39.

My entry level model is a kettle. 🙂