Is this Flue safe and legal

[Dotty]

So, to put it bluntly, you're prepared to spend roughly a couple of hundred grand on your dream home but not prepared to spend on the one appliance in the property that, if given half a chance, will kill you?

 

[AWheating]

put it to the seller that the boiler will need replacement soon and you will need a deduction to cover the cost.

its there fault if its a badly installed and maintained appliance afterall.

 

[lame plumber]

i so agree with AW

 

[gyro]

We have already tried the approach of asking for money off from the seller, but they arent willing to budge a penny.
croppie -Its not a case of willing to pay a lot for the house but not for the appliance. We have a mortgage to cover the cost of the house, but 2-3k is a lot to take out of pocket in one go. Thats 2-3k which after moving we wont have

The plumber has said it is safe and legal, but not up to current safety standards and based on that he wouldnt service it. He did say when it was put in however that it would have been within those safety standards before they changed.
He has estimated it would cost 2-3k to move the boiler elsewhere. Thats why i am asking whether the flue can just be extended and boxed in in the conservatory, as he cited these were the only issues stopping it being declared safe.

 

[Dotty]

He has estimated it would cost 2-3k to move the boiler elsewhere. Thats why i am asking whether the flue can just be extended and boxed in in the conservatory, as he cited these were the only issues stopping it being declared safe.

No. Frying pan. Fire.

 

[village idiot]

if it will cost £2-3K to move the same boiler, I;d suggest you just buy a new boiler.
Being you are not in a position to provide a picture, it is hard to give you a definate reply about the flue.
How about getting another plumber to visit, look at the boiler and then hear what he/she says? Bear in mind, he may visit and turn off the boiler saying it is ID as opposed to NCS. Beware

 

[gyro]

sorry, i should have been clearer, he said 2-3k in all for a new boiler and for it to be moved. He also said that getting it serviced isnt worth while as it doesnt really do much to the boiler in terms of extending its life. It just identifies if faults are imminent, so we would probably avoid getting it serviced in the near term (if we did purchase) to ensure it didnt get turned off

 

[lame plumber]

if it is really dangerous that isnt a sensible option, bit like leaving faulty brakes until the mot in 9 months time

 

[village idiot]

I really would get another plumber to look at it.
If something is ''ill'', you treat it. What I am trying to imply is that if the boiler is just manageable to the point where you will not service it or turn it off till it 'dies', then the best option open to your plumber is to give it a good service.
The fact he is refusing to get his name anywhere near the boiler is reason for you to worry.
As I said earlier, chances are if you get another plumber in, he may visit, take the view that the boiler is Immediately Dangerous (as opposed to Not to Current Standards) and isolate it. Then you really will have no choice but to get a new boiler.
If I were you, I'd start saving for a new boiler. Question is: Do you want a boiler now, or in the middle of Dec/Jan when it will be ice cold and most plumbers will be exceptionally busy, assuming the snow lets them out of their mansions?

 

[SafeGasInstall]

more likely is ILLEGAL and unsafe

 

[stevetheplumber]

personally i wouldnt worry about it if the boiler is classed as ncs it not vaugely dangerous as there are to classifications of risk above that classification probably half the boilers over 10 years old are ncs if its the house for you buy it and move the boiler in two years time when you have the cash
if your realy worried get a second opinion but chances are it will still only be ncs
by the way ncs is is not to current standards
if its the look your concerned about yes it can be boxed in subject to the regs being complied with

 

[tamz]

The fact he is refusing to get his name anywhere near the boiler is reason for you to worry.

Probably just installs and doesn't do service or repair as from this

he said 2-3k in all for a new boiler and for it to be moved. He also said that getting it serviced isnt worth while as it doesnt really do much to the boiler in terms of extending its life. It just identifies if faults are imminent,

It can't be that bad Stan if all he could pull it on is NCS. I'm sure if he wanted a sale he would have AR'd or ID'd it.

 

[village idiot]

i did tell him to start saving for a new boiler, just because the plumber says all is ok is not to say the boiler may not fail shortly after they move in. Sometimes, luck may not be on your side. If he only does installs, what reason did he have for being there

 

[Ermintrude]

Just negotiate a 3 k reduction. But fishy buyer won't get it serviced! I would budget on a new boiler if flue has been bodged in by conservatory lads or a plumber it's probably going to be a rongun!

Do u take ur car to get mot and then not get mot because bloke at garage said your brakes are shot. Engineer is a mug! It's his duty of care to highlight issues and ensure you are SAFE. He shouldn't turn away! Hope you don't have any kids, be a horrific find one day if when in your new house they didn't wake up because it was better not to service boiler.

 

[AWheating]

you wouldnt buy a car with a dodgy engine? why buy a house with a dodgy boiler? call the seller's bluff, if hes happy to neglect the gas appliances in his property then what else is in need of attention?

 

[Ray Stafford]

Just negotiate a 3 k reduction.

I think that has alreasdy been suggested, but it doesn't help because

a) the seller won't budge
b) negotiating a reduction in sale price doesn't put £3k in your pocket if you are buying on a mortgage

To be honest, the whole thread is pointless without pictures. Based on the description of someone who (no disrespect) doesn't have a clear grasp of the terminology, we are second guessing a qualified bloke who has actually seen it.

There are hundreds of thousands of NCS appliances banging away happily at this very minute.

 

[tamz]

Who said it was a dodgy or unsafe boiler?
As far as i can make out the flue runs through a conservatory which the new owner doesn't like.
Tough.
You don't like it buy another house or get it altered to suit you and your budget.

 

[Ray Stafford]

you wouldnt buy a car with a dodgy engine? why buy a house with a dodgy boiler? call the seller's bluff, if hes happy to neglect the gas appliances in his property then what else is in need of attention?

Not a fair analogy AW. The engine is the heart of the car, and the car is useless without it. A boiler is only a tiny part of a house.

All houses are imperfect, and all house sale negotiations reflect that fact.

 

[tamz]

If he only does installs, what reason did he have for being there

I don't think i need to explain that one.

 

[gyro]

Thanks everyone for all your input on this matter.It is all greatly appreciated. Tomorrow i will make the decision one way or another. The boiler is only ncs and not considered dangerous. I asked the plumber to go there to do a check before i moved in, thats why he didnt do anything else such as a service. If i do go forward with the purchase i think what i will do is budget in the cost of the boiler move and get the flue resealed where it leaves the conservatory
thanks