Advise on Flue Terminations

[Afzal Abrar]

Hi to all.
My Questions :
If Flue Terminal Of Condensing Boiler Is Parallel to Neighboring Property distance less than 300 mm.
could we use a plume kit to terminate the fumes .
Some Regs Confusing ..Saying Flue Terminal has to be away at-least 300 mm from neighboring property if comes parallel..
What if We use Plume kit to divert the fumes in open Air..
I would really appreciate yours Knowledgeable Answers Guys.

Window is not openable next to the flue..

Regards
Ibby

 

[kris]

What make of boiler is it ? Have to move stack also by looks of it lol

 

[Masood]

What make of boiler is it ? Have to move stack also by looks of it lol

That looks like the new Vaillant flue. In which case you can't use a plume kit to correct non-compliant terminal position. And you're right, the stack is also too close...

 

[kris]

why not simply have an elbow inside taking it away from the boundry and the snv pipe ,
Like on page 34 of this vaillant flue guide,
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&r...llawrARPJQzjon9_w&sig2=zMRZVij9lFAEU3OB3zND1g

 

[Atouchofgas]

Or stick a vertical on

 

[jtsplumbing]

Any reason why you cant go vertical ??

 

[Afzal Abrar]

Thanks Guy For All Great Info..
Sorted Now.

 

[Afzal Abrar]

All Sorted Now Thanks Guy:wink:

 

[ShaunCorbs]

dont want to sound mean but that looks a mess and where's your clips for the flue

 

[jtsplumbing]

Why 'O' why didn't you go with a vertical flue ?????????????? as Shaun says that looks a real DIY job wall outside messed up, extra work required inside , no supports on flue, What were you thinking of ? Have you had experience fitting vertical flues ? or even fitting boilers, If that was in my house I would reject it, a very shoddy job

 

[Masood]

Could be a lot tidier but well done for asking - and taking - advice. Keep learning, keep improving. Is the flue 300mm from the window opening? Looks pretty close to me.. As others have said, going vertical would have been a much better option.

 

[Afzal Abrar]

Could be a lot tidier but well done for asking - and taking - advice. Keep learning, keep improving. Is the flue 300mm from the window opening? Looks pretty close to me.. As others have said, going vertical would have been a much better option.

Thanks Brother , This How I'll learn more n more ,
I don't do vertical Jobs , don't like mess around with slates etc , plus people don't like to pay extra for roofer etc .
It's from two cupboard panels where the holes been made to measure .

Thanks

 

[Afzal Abrar]

Could be a lot tidier but well done for asking - and taking - advice. Keep learning, keep improving. Is the flue 300mm from the window opening? Looks pretty close to me.. As others have said, going vertical would have been a much better option.

Yes it's 400mm away from both sides , neighbors boundary and Window is closed , opens from other end ..

Thanks

 

[Gasmk1]

you dont need a roofer thats what the lead slate is for, plus you had scaffolding making access really easy

 

[Afzal Abrar]

Why 'O' why didn't you go with a vertical flue ?????????????? as Shaun says that looks a real DIY job wall outside messed up, extra work required inside , no supports on flue, What were you thinking of ? Have you had experience fitting vertical flues ? or even fitting boilers, If that was in my house I would reject it, a very shoddy job

I don't do vertical flues buddy, reason people wouldn't pay extra for the roofer , even though
Customer wasn't allowing me to go vertical as they loft to store the stuff n toys etc ,
Had only this option , I know looks messy , but before was only 200mm away now bang on 400mm.
For clips flue coming from two cupboard holes been made to measure ..
Thanks

 

[Afzal Abrar]

you dont need a roofer thats what the lead slate is for, plus you had scaffolding making access really easy

Had there already vertical , would have been easy , making new routes hard for me .
Thanks

 

[ShaunCorbs]

still needs to be clipped via approved methods

 

[AlexGas]

Yes it's 400mm away from both sides , neighbors boundary and Window is closed , opens from other end ..

Thanks

Sorry to say this, your flue is less than 200mm to the building opening.

 

[jtsplumbing]

still needs to be clipped via approved methods

Hope the flue is going to be accessible for any inspection, Cant believe that he doesn't do vertical flues !

 

[jtsplumbing]

Had there already vertical , would have been easy , making new routes hard for me .

Thanks

Have you had much experience ? Don't know what part of Lancs you cover but your standard of work needs to be improved, if not your going to loose one of two things, Your reputation or your Gas Safe registration.

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Hope the flue is going to be accessible for any inspection, Cant believe that he doesn't do vertical flues !

left on show also indoor washing line/hanger

 

[jtsplumbing]

left on show also indoor washing line/hanger

I'll keep a look out in the installer mag, those photos could turn up !! :book:

 

[Afzal Abrar]

Sorry to say this, your flue is less than 200mm to the building opening.

View attachment 26578

Window is permanently Closed , Not Openable

 

[ShaunCorbs]

doesnt matter sorry to say

"300mm above, below and either side of an opening door, air vent or opening window"

 

[AlexGas]

Window is permanently Closed , Not Openable

It is now, very true. But what do you think about this one?
Engineers fined over Cornwall hotel death safety breach - BBC News

 

[Afzal Abrar]

doesnt matter sorry to say

"300mm above, below and either side of an opening door, air vent or opening window"

It does matter if you read the thread from start then you'll understand the real story , rather than making fun ..

 

[ShaunCorbs]

It does matter if you read the thread from start then you'll understand the real story , rather than making fun ..

I have read the thread from the beginning trust me and does it change anything no still doesn't comply with the regs

 

[buckley plumb]

I thought vaillant plume kit was worded as termination variation and could be used to come over termination issues .have they changed things

 

[ShaunCorbs]

I thought vaillant plume kit was worded as termination variation and could be used to come over termination issues .have they changed things

you are right good sir

https://www.plumbnation.co.uk/site/vaillant-variable-termination-kits/

 

[buckley plumb]

why cant they standardise things .some flues can use plume kits some cant .some can have white on show others cant .can you imagine such stupid variable rules at car mot station - o its ok sir that's a ford it does not need front brakes

 

[ShaunCorbs]

why cant they standardise things .some flues can use plume kits some cant .some can have white on show others cant .can you imagine such stupid variable rules at car mot station - o its ok sir that's a ford it does not need front brakes

just put every flue like the worcester (can add a plume kit later on with no changing/fuss)

 

[Leo21]

That looks like the new Vaillant flue. In which case you can't use a plume kit to correct non-compliant terminal position. And you're right, the stack is also too close...

You can Mas, if you call technical they'll email it to you.

 

[PlumbersMate]

So even if window can't open it still can't be closer than 300mm?

 

[Atouchofgas]

That's right is what I would say, if the window is shut but has trickle vent you have a opening?

 

[ShaunCorbs]

That's right is what I would say, if the window is shut but has trickle vent you have a opening?

or the window gets changed later on to an open-able one

 

[SPC]

I'm not sure I agree with that, it's like saying I can't flue out the side of a building in case a builder builds an extension over it. We need a bit of good faith in humanity and hope they will use reputable tradesmen in future who can advise accordingly or seek the appropriate advice.

 

[ambrosia]

In which case you can't use a plume kit to correct non-compliant terminal position

what have i missed something, is this just a vaillant thing or has a new important rule passed me by

 

[Atouchofgas]

Technically speaking we've never actually been allowed to do it?
This from corgi in 2009
http://www.a1gassafe.co.uk/pdf/TECHNICAL_BULLETIN_231.pdf

 

[Leo21]

They brought a ruling in for opening in the fabric of the building, because there was a case where a new window was fitted with an opener. And ther was a fatality.
If you contact Vaillant, they'll send you some info, where as you can have it 150mm away from an opening instead of 300mm. With a plume kit.

 

[Masood]

You can Mas, if you call technical they'll email it to you.

I stand corrected! When I did the Level 2 training at Vaillant they said very firmly that it was a no-no. Obviously they've relaxed a bit now. Ideal were the same, I wonder if they've also changed their stance??

 

[GrahamM]

Most of the Manufactures that provide plume kits allow you to have the flue 150mm to opening as long as plume kit fitted as per MI's. Can't think of one that doesn't.

 

[tamz]

Vaillant are actually one of the more sensible manus and will confirm things in writing