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I am a qualified plumber with 30 years’ experience in the business. I am just fed up with the inefficiencies in heating system. On forums like this every day people keep asking the same questions over and over again and the so called experts keep replying with the same old answers, change the pump, balance the radiators, and the most famous one of all POWER FLUSHING.
We are all around long enough to know that inverted system like this one cannot and will not operate efficiently. This is the reason why people have electric heaters in rooms because there radiators are not working. I do not like to see decent people who are looking for solutions to fix their heating being put to unnecessary expense by only giving them a temporary solution to a never ending problem.
The technology is here so we should embrace it and be glad that the ongoing problems can finally be resolved.
 
So where are you based? What makes your 30 years of experience more valuable than our 30 years? Why can’t you mention your technology if we should all know about it? I hate it when people try to flog expensive wigits or suggest power flushing trying to overcome inherent design problems other than offering practical cost effective solutions, too.
 
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As you are aware on forums we are unable to mention products or company names which defeats the purpose really. I am not sure how the forum expect us to find the information but I suppose they want us to do our own research and hope for the best. I can say that my suggestion is not expensive, and is basically the same price as what some companies charge to power flush a system. In fact if something works the cost is irrelevant.
What make my experience unique is that I would not accept balancing, power flushing, bleeding radiators etc. as part of normal practice. I used that experience to source a solution whereas some Plumber’s with the same years of experience are happy to continue on and except these as normal.
 
I thought so. A theorist. And I do not agree with self promotion of this kind in forums. Suppose there are no rules against it in here?
 
im sorry tim what a load of tosh

your not the first with one of these "magic central heating boxes"

What is the Central Heating management System?

Excellent Tidy Job - Superseal

all thats in the box is a llh and company's are charging 4-8k (the magic box alone is anywhere from 1.5-2k plus an extra pump) to install one and quote half your heating bill

and the system still needs power flushing 😀


another scam in a box
 
I am sorry too. You obviously do not know the situation here. I have nothing to do with magic, or superseal and their overpriced fake, inferior copy product. They are Patent infringers/thieves hiding behind a chain of companies with virtually no knowledge in heating. They are just a bunch of hard-nosed sales people and are causing serious damage to our market by using Oxyvent information to sell their fake product. Despite numerous requests to have their illegal marketing removed they refuse to do so. They are extremely cunning on the web for twisting the truth and linking me to magic to confuse people. I am continuingly trying to distance myself from them but they are devious and keep removing and republishing stuff. It is obvious they are trying to destroy our market, but I am sure people can see right through their scam.
It shows that Oxyvent does work otherwise they would not invest money and time trying to copy it. By the way this is the second time a company copied my idea and put millions into it. I dealt with them in The High Court and put a stop to their actions. So here we go again.
I am a Plumber who invented a product back in 2000 to give an efficient, maintenance free heating system. Oxyvent reduce the Delta T and the cost is similar to that of a power flush and not a rip off. So if any of you come up with a brilliant idea, go sleep it off. It is a nasty world and it is just not worth the hassle and torture to pursue your dream.
 
This is a typical example of the damage and confusion magic are causing.
Who said before you start have the system power flushed?

I do not know the price of the magic box as I have made it clear that I have absolutely nothing to do with them.

By reducing the Delta T in the radiators the top and bottom of the radiator is at a more uniform temperature, producing higher temperatures at floor level. It also removes thermal shock from the system.
 
This is a typical example of the damage and confusion magic are causing.
Who said before you start have the system power flushed?

I do not know the price of the magic box as I have made it clear that I have absolutely nothing to do with them.

By reducing the Delta T in the radiators the top and bottom of the radiator is at a more uniform temperature, producing higher temperatures at floor level. It also removes thermal shock from the system.

It's in your fitting video 😀

No I mean how much did your box ?

And your boiler doesn't condense as much if you lower the delta that much (2dc as your system says)
 
I have absolutely nothing to do with magic or their fake videos. You are obviously obsessed under the magic spell. Check OXYVENT on YouTube and see for yourself.
I have a certified pressure vessel The Oxyvent Tank and not a gimmick magician’s box. For your information it is the world’s first certified pressure vessel of it is kind with TUV certification. The set up process cost €250,000 (one of the reasons why I say do not pursue your idea). We have a good incentive trade price for Plumbers and therefore it would be unprofessional to give a price publically. When the plumber install the Tank we then assist him to give the customer the new Delta T and address any concerns he may have. We don’t just sell a product and walk away like others. We see it through so that the householder can enjoy a superefficient maintenance free system. This is all about job satisfaction and customer care and not just greed that is why we are different.

I never said that Oxyvent reduce the delta T in the boiler. This is typical people jump straight in with condemning comments and have no idea what they are talking about. My advice to you is do a bit of research on the Oxyvent site before you jump to conclusions. I said that it reduces the delta in the radiators. The boiler cycle remains the same therefore the delta T in the boiler is controlled by its own stat. The advantage been that the boiler temperature can be reduced down to 60°C. Oxyvent system is the only system that can keep the boiler in full condensing mode 100% of its operating time whilst reaching higher temperature at floor level, giving higher comfort levels to householders.
 
I stand alone and do not and never had a business partner. I presume from your comment you charge £400. For a power flush. You are saying it is better to pay £400 every 2 or 3 years and your customer must tolerate cold rooms, and the usual inefficiencies, whereas we give the customer a maintenance free system with higher comfort in their home with no continuing expense. Do you mean that paying £400 for a power flush is better value than having higher temperatures at floor level, saving fuel, lower boiler temperatures, higher thermal comfort and maintenance free? That is not good customer service and only exploits the customer for maintenance work.
 
Well the video must be wrong even has both your names as the inventors

And £400 for your heating box / system

And with correct td levels and an air sep you wouldn't need power flush / touch the system for 10 + years
 

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