It is clearly wrong to sign off someone else's installation, but less clear what comprises an installation. Where a gas fitter is GSR but not G3, and plumber is G3 but not GSR a system with gas boiler and unvented cylinder has all the potential for a demarcation dispute not seen since the heydays of Cammell Laird.
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i'm not really having a go but I think that's a very ignorant opinion. And just promotes DIY gaswork Which is something as engineers we should be doing our upmost to stamp out.
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Couldn't agree more and also why let someone get paid for work that should be completed by trained, registered individuals!
as the name implies gas safe's main aim is safety and by effectivly banning inspections of unregistered installs i feel they are not
scenario 1 lanlord has boiler fitted by joe blogs then moves in a family they ask for gas cert and landlord keeps putting them of but he is tryoing to get it done as he now realises his mistake before he can get it sorted both children in the family die of co poisoning net reusult two dead children landlord in a world of troubles and no one has earnt any money
scenario 2 same as above but some one qualified has checked the boiler thoroughly found fault issued a riddor net result two children alive gas engineer has had a pay day and landlord still in a world of trouble because gas safe/hse are investigating him and hopefully the original fitter
im much happier with the outcome of scenario 2 but it wont happen as gas safe dont follow up unless its handed to them on a plate or some one has died
scenario 1 lanlord has boiler fitted by joe blogs then moves in a family they ask for gas cert and landlord keeps putting them of but he is tryoing to get it done as he now realises his mistake before he can get it sorted both children in the family die of co poisoning net reusult two dead children landlord in a world of troubles and no one has earnt any money
scenario 2 same as above but some one qualified has checked the boiler thoroughly found fault issued a riddor net result two children alive gas engineer has had a pay day and landlord still in a world of trouble because gas safe/hse are investigating him and hopefully the original fitter
im much happier with the outcome of scenario 2 but it wont happen as gas safe dont follow up unless its handed to them on a plate or some one has died
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Surely the best thing to do would be to make it illegal to service/comission unregistered work and then make it impossible for unregistered folk to get their hands on any gas parts without a GSR card?
weve had this argument before and as ray points out a big part of the heating market is housing associations and other companies that dont need registration as they dont fit the items
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mooey
Sorry its taken a while to get back to you been busy signing boilers off 32 to be exact 60 pound a throw.
Well in eyes of the hsc and the LAW I am deemed competent and like people say on here if I get caught I will face the music.The biggest law breakers are gsr ripping off the tradesmen who pay there wages .all they are are legal con man/woman.maybe I am a fool but a richer one at that.who are the bigger fools anyway giving thousands to gsr so you can go earn a living
Hang on. I've rented out my own house at times and no Corgi (as it was) or Gas Safe installer has ever asked who fitted the boiler.
So I fail to understand how Gas Safe means unregistered appliances are never inspected? Or is there some kind of national register against which all Landlord's Certificates are compared? If so, I can only assume my boiler was fitted by a registered installed because nobody has ever contacted me to say otherwise.
How does the system work?
So I fail to understand how Gas Safe means unregistered appliances are never inspected? Or is there some kind of national register against which all Landlord's Certificates are compared? If so, I can only assume my boiler was fitted by a registered installed because nobody has ever contacted me to say otherwise.
How does the system work?
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Unregistered
Gsr charge 360 odd pounds plus vat to register for the first time than a futher 150pounds for every year.if you lapse a year they than charge you the initial fee of 360 again. now if that not ripping trademan off what is.they are the legal crooks.when corgi was 1st set up it was free I don t begrudge paying some sort of fee but they are judt a greedy organisations.that are taking advantage of the people that keep them in a job.yes ee all have over heads and they do need to make a profit and they are making a massive one.if I can help someone out and make abit of money in the process I will its what gas safe are doing to us.i would never sign something off if I thought it was unsafe.if its against the law so be it most people break the law everyday one way or another
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Whyme
ye the whole scheme started free many many moons ago. if ya dont like the fee get employed. and if ya dont like the regs fit bathrooms. booosh
Mooney.
I can see your point why you do commision others installs.
But here's where what your doing is wrong!
But you have done the training, pay your registration, do the paperwork, pay insurance and have the knowledge to do your job in the gas industry. You are making the problem of unregistered installers worse, because £60 an install is cheap to get your job signed off. What's the point of being registered??
I can see your point why you do commision others installs.
But here's where what your doing is wrong!
But you have done the training, pay your registration, do the paperwork, pay insurance and have the knowledge to do your job in the gas industry. You are making the problem of unregistered installers worse, because £60 an install is cheap to get your job signed off. What's the point of being registered??
American spelling,but hey ho!
I'm hoping it's just a wind up merchant. You'd hope that nobody had that blatant disregard for the rules that they'd be bragging about it.
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Dotty
Getting close to that now. This guy, with his blatant disregard for the rules is beginning to irritate me.
You won’t be able to check the whole installation without ripping the gas pipework off the wall!!!
Please tell me this, you have a nice house, pretty wife and pretty kids… Are you saying you let some mug into your house to install a gas boiler and then some other mug to sing it off!? YES or NO?
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Dotty
Kind of academic now Alex. Unfortunately we don't have enough details to report him to GSR to investigate. Neither can we be seen to encourage him, by association or otherwise.
His account, after a very brief discussion in the Mod Cave, has been terminated.
His account, after a very brief discussion in the Mod Cave, has been terminated.
Well you make a fair point there but theirs a difference, Im Not GSR but ive installed 30-40 boilers working under my old boss, but the difference is, i was taught how to install boilers and gas pipework by a professional and at the same time i was learning it all in college as well, also a trainee can only install gas appliances if there GSR person is standing behind them and checking all of the work they carry out
so when you fit a new boiler you remove all the boards to inspect the existing gas run ?or do you ask for the bench mark for the twenty year old boiler your just about to rip out ? goes back to what i said we all certify other peoples work
If I was doing an install I would because you never know what the previous person has done in terms of pipe sizing. I've seen it where the whole run was in 15mm up to about a meter from the boiler when it was upsized to 22mm then comically back to 15mm to go n the boilers gas fitting
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