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Rickster123
If that attitude comes accross to him I'd be thankful for still being employed! You're two years in. I earnt 90 quid a week for four years. You gotta suck it up a bit.
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If that attitude comes accross to him I'd be thankful for still being employed! You're two years in. I earnt 90 quid a week for four years. You gotta suck it up a bit.
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Rickster123
Im a believer in loyalty and respect. I'm assuming that he's paid for your training and acs? He gave you an opportunity that many would give their right arm for.
He hasn't paid one pence to my training, not one. Funny really cos when I approached him about doing the ACS he didn't want me to. Then when he thought a combi swap contract was coming in he was all for it. Funny really. The reason he went self employed straight after college was due to his boss not paying him what he felt he should be.
Unfortunately in these circumstances my loyalty is with my family and as I previously mentioned, I can earn more as a shelf stacker.
Unfortunately in these circumstances my loyalty is with my family and as I previously mentioned, I can earn more as a shelf stacker.
Without sounding harsh and without knowing how long you have had your gas and what you can actually do this probably will sound harsh.
It does go on the amount of time served. You are still classed as an improver when I was an improver I got £4.25 ph and moved company to get £7.50ph. Once you have a few years gas under your belt then you are worth more to a company and you can start earning more. It is the same in every job and just because you have your ACS doesn't mean you are a gas engineer it is merely the start.
Don't think how much your boss earns from you because as a lead engineer my boss was earning£500+ a day and I was earning £115. Did I want more money? Of course, was I gonna get it? Not a chance.
I worked with a lad who got his ACS (all paid for by the company) and he walked in and said I am now fully qualified I want the same as the rest (a £2.50 ph pay rise) the boss wasn't particularly impressed and said when you find your feet and can do basic breakdowns with ease and do installs without phoning people then you can have a pay rise but you won't be on the same as the rest.
You have started what could be a cracking career and just because you are older than a 20 year old with 2 years experience doesn't mean you are worth more, suck it up for another year learn as much as you can and then prove you are worth more.
Again sorry if it sounds harsh.
It's not harsh mate I know where your coming from.
Me personally I don't think someone's pay should be based on timed served for all sorts of reasons but that's my opinion.
Why I started the post was down to the fact that I need to earn more than £60 a day and I certainly need to learn more than I currently do on the job. The fact the company are going away from domestic work also isn't something I wanna be doing.
Nice to see all the difference of opinions though. I did start a post a while back about why people went self employed and most said it was money and not wanting to listen to an idiot, so I'm not the only one lol.
Me personally I don't think someone's pay should be based on timed served for all sorts of reasons but that's my opinion.
Why I started the post was down to the fact that I need to earn more than £60 a day and I certainly need to learn more than I currently do on the job. The fact the company are going away from domestic work also isn't something I wanna be doing.
Nice to see all the difference of opinions though. I did start a post a while back about why people went self employed and most said it was money and not wanting to listen to an idiot, so I'm not the only one lol.
Our weekly food bill, there are three of us, and this is only at Morrisons on a Saturday morning is between £110 to £130; varies if we need washing powder etc🙂
Now we are not a drinking family, so at most there'd be 4 cans of Boddingtons or Vitamin G in the above bill.
That's only Saturday, so there's fresh fruit and veg , and bread plus other bits and bobs we buy through the week from our local shops the Hill.
God only knows what would happen to you, if you have an out-of-the-blue, crashing expense.
I think you'd find it hard to come back from.
If at all.
I'm all for showing loyalty, but we are taking about BASIC SURVIVAL here.
Now we are not a drinking family, so at most there'd be 4 cans of Boddingtons or Vitamin G in the above bill.
That's only Saturday, so there's fresh fruit and veg , and bread plus other bits and bobs we buy through the week from our local shops the Hill.
God only knows what would happen to you, if you have an out-of-the-blue, crashing expense.
I think you'd find it hard to come back from.
If at all.
I'm all for showing loyalty, but we are taking about BASIC SURVIVAL here.
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So at this stage two years in what do you feel you are worth? What can you do on your own unsupervised?
not all wages are paid in pound notes.
first year i was unpaid
second i was on £20 a day
third i was on £30 and had my fuel paid for.
i did jobs on the side and earned a few more grand a year but that went on tools
now experience !!
first year was priceless
second year was priceless
third was also priceless
he's got your foot in the door and be thankfull for that.
apply for other jobs and see what happens.
or approach your boss, point out the wage can't support you much longer.
ask for a road map on increasing your wages, if he can't tell you the criteria you have to meet.......
first year i was unpaid
second i was on £20 a day
third i was on £30 and had my fuel paid for.
i did jobs on the side and earned a few more grand a year but that went on tools
now experience !!
first year was priceless
second year was priceless
third was also priceless
he's got your foot in the door and be thankfull for that.
apply for other jobs and see what happens.
or approach your boss, point out the wage can't support you much longer.
ask for a road map on increasing your wages, if he can't tell you the criteria you have to meet.......
I think imho this job has kept your head above water ...as for paying for your own training and losing money having to take unpaid leave I don't believe you owe any loyalty to this company I think you need to look around and check out whats available taking into account your skill/experience see what you can get and then ask your boss for an increase....maybe check out the likes of british gas where you would obtain extra training and regular payments i.e holiday sick pay ........and remember if you don't ask you won't get.....best of luck regards Turnpin:smile5:
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Ah billy, good to see you're still alive. Did you ever digitise all those training manuals I gave you? Would be good to share them out on here like you said.
Amen to that.
Just to buy my 3 & 1 yr old children shoes and a coat eAch cost me nearly 2 days wages. Not named gear either.
Over a days wages for a weeks shop, without nappies or toiletries.
The maths don't add up at all at the moment which is why something needs to change. Fortunately me or the mrs don't drink or smoke and we certainly couldn't afford to now lol
Just to buy my 3 & 1 yr old children shoes and a coat eAch cost me nearly 2 days wages. Not named gear either.
Over a days wages for a weeks shop, without nappies or toiletries.
The maths don't add up at all at the moment which is why something needs to change. Fortunately me or the mrs don't drink or smoke and we certainly couldn't afford to now lol
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Thats not the point at all. Billy trained early in life. His choice. Macka has trained later. His choice.
none, i had to be supported myself during that period (18 to 22)
nor would i expect anyone to work to those wages i listed, however that was my route, others have done it on less !!!
if i had kids that i couldn't support i would be applying for other jobs and asking what i need to do to earn more in that role
I will always appreciate the fact he gave me an opportunity but 2 years in and no rise, no benefits and no sign of anything changing I need to look elsewhere.
The day he told me he was driven by money put it all in to perspective for me. I also know he lied to my colleague who recently joined us, about what he was looking for in a employee. So I know he can't be trusted either.
The day he told me he was driven by money put it all in to perspective for me. I also know he lied to my colleague who recently joined us, about what he was looking for in a employee. So I know he can't be trusted either.
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