Connecting flexible tap tails to isolation valve

[Ric2013]

No. It was for you.

In simple terms, a rad valve tail might be made of materials not designed for use with drinking water and could potentially contaminate not only the water you drink, but that which your neighbours drink.

I was pointing out that using a rad valve tail to avoid screwing onto an isolator doesn't really achieve anything.

Plumbing is complicated. That's why it's a trade and why we spend ages learning it. Then some people complain we're expensive, and spend a day doing a job we could do in an hour because they lack the knowledge we try to have.

Nah. I can't read and listen to music that has words. Sometimes classical, but I often prefer silence.

 

[Mrb]

I don’t think I have ever seen a solid rad tail extension that’s not chrome plated brass.

 

[Harvest Fields]

Hi Cos. Did you mean replace the flexible Monobloc tap tails with your suggested speedfit Flexi tap connector. 15mm X ½"?
Forgive my ignorance, but I don't see how they would work. There appears to be no 10mm thread to connect to the tap and they are only 300mm long. The ones currently in use are 400mm long and around 60mm too short.

And to Best..
Was my suggestion doable? I've just noticed it reads 15mm x 15mm and not 15mm X ½". I'm confused by the measurements

Wouldn’t put 2 flexi’s together. Extend the copper onto the tap flexi

 

[jrtrrror]

No. It was for you.

In simple terms, a rad valve tail might be made of materials not designed for use with drinking water and could potentially contaminate not only the water you drink, but that which your neighbours drink.

I was pointing out that using a rad valve tail to avoid screwing onto an isolator doesn't really achieve anything.

Plumbing is complicated. That's why it's a trade and why we spend ages learning it. Then some people complain we're expensive, and spend a day doing a job we could do in an hour because they lack the knowledge we try to have.

Nah. I can't read and listen to music that has words. Sometimes classical, but I often prefer silence.

You won't be listening to wuthering heights then???

 

[Harvest Fields]

You won't be listening to wuthering heights then???

I hate that song with a passion. Winds me up just thinking about it.😡😡😡

 

[Best]

But isn't designed for potable water, probably. And won't serve a purpose: if the point of using a rad tail valve is to avoid putting a 1/2" threaded flexi onto a thread that's really designed for a compression olive, then I can't see the advantage of screwing onto a thread that's really designed for putting into a radiator and thread sealing. It's possibly a taper fitting too.

Good points. The rad valve tails do match up well though.
I use male fittings, but have used rad tails somewhere.

 

[jrtrrror]

Hi. Do these male couplers have a flat face to connect the end of the flexible Monobloc tap tail?
In the past I've noticed that some iso valves have a sharp face, so I've bought tap tail adapters when connecting flexi Monobloc tails.

 

[Best]

Hi. Do these male couplers have a flat face to connect the end of the flexible Monobloc tap tail?
In the past I've noticed that some iso valves have a sharp face, so I've bought tap tail adapters when connecting flexi Monobloc tails.

If you have the nut with flat rubber washer on end of your tap flexies, then yes, the male fitting has the flat face and same threads

 

[Phil]

I have to say I'm increasingly using JTM over BES, prices are cheaper.

JTM Plumbing Ltd Leading Online Plumbing Merchants

 

[Ric2013]

I don’t think I have ever seen a solid rad tail extension that’s not chrome plated brass.

Low lead content? I didn't think brass contained lead either, but apparently it can...

 

[Chuck]

Low lead content? I didn't think brass contained lead either, but apparently it can...

A small amount of lead improves the properties of brass significantly:

Aviva Metals

I believe, but am not sure, that the reason old taps and float valves have much longer working lives than modern ones is that they were made from leaded-brass.

 

[Mrb]

Low lead content? I didn't think brass contained lead either, but apparently it can...

Even if it did it would hardly be if any significant amount to be a concern.
Think of all the lead mains still in use.

 

[Ric2013]

Even if it did it would hardly be if any significant amount to be a concern.
Think of all the lead mains still in use.

I used to think that about lead soldered joints. Apparently the fact that the lead is in contact with copper means electroytic action can take place and then lead is released. Being sceptical though, I wonder, if that's the case, whether it wouldn't result in joint failure, which is doesn't seem to.
However, bear in mind all plumbing work has to comply with the Water Regulations by law, and, by law, that means fittings should be suited for drinking water. I'm not sure, therefore, that I can advise anyone should use a radiator tail on drinking water with a clear conscience.

 

[jrtrrror]

Hi guys. I decided to use the couplers in the end.
Many thanks once again.
D

 

[Welder]

Low lead content? I didn't think brass contained lead either, but apparently it can...

Brass has to contain lead to be classified as Brass.

The lead content improves the workability of brass. More lead = longer tool life and faster machining = lower cost of production. 😳

Currently, unlike much of the rest of the civilised world, Britain does not require its brassware to be constructed of low lead brass. Low lead brass is, if memory serves, is around 2%. Most brass fitting we import are more like 10% cos they are cheaper. In California they have legislated for 0.2% (I think) but its bl00dy expensive to use and produce with so, they are so concerned about citizen health, they've changed the test to see how much lead leaches into the water. Hell why not, it's only brain damage! 🙄

The rest of the world has been studying this for years. We are a good 25 years behind. In the far east they discovered years ago that the lead from solder posed more of a hazard to public health than fittings - by an order of magnitude! That is why much of the far east is going towards solely using non permeable plastic.

HTH

 

[Ric2013]

I was thinking of the Screwfix catalogue that lists a number of Pegler fittings as being 'low lead contact' (sic.). When I Googled Pegler "low lead" brass, I got a link to a Tectite 1/4 turn valve. It is made of CW625N-DW brass which (Google again) is apparently 1.2-1.5% lead.

I know an old plumber who insists lead-free solder is far too brittle to be of any use whatsoever outside a college environment and will always cause leaks. This is the same person who once spent several hours trying to convince a friend of mine that gravity and magnetism were the same thing... thinking of it, I think I might stop using lead even on heating systems.