Europe

[newcastle phill]

A big player - we pay into europe 55 million pound a day apparently - thats obscene and contrary to whats said by them i just cannot see how we get more back (as they claim). That just doesnt make sense. One of the richer country's with a larger economy getting more than the poorer nations is rubbish.
Those with more pay more. Those with less get more.

 

[Millsy 82]

how can we have less control over immigration were an island? Australia seems to manage immigration quite well

The difference between us and Australia though is around australia the nearest place is hundreds of miles away and to get there you have to go through shark infested water, we on the other hand have 22ish miles between dover and calais.

But what I'm saying is because of Europe we have an agreement with France to allow our border control to assist on there country along with their border control and police, if we leave will the French still allow this? Or will they just refuse to commit the large amount of funds required to control the flow of immigrants going through them. As once the immigrants are in this country it is a lot harder to stop them as if they have no passport we cannot send them back (or at least that is my understanding)

 

[Millsy 82]

A big player - we pay into europe 55 million pound a day apparently - thats obscene and contrary to whats said by them i just cannot see how we get more back (as they claim). That just doesnt make sense. One of the richer country's with a larger economy getting more than the poorer nations is rubbish.
Those with more pay more. Those with less get more.

That is why I think we should leave. In the long term we will benefit greatly but it is the short term that I'm concerned about.

 

[stevetheplumber]

The difference between us and Australia though is around australia the nearest place is hundreds of miles away and to get there you have to go through shark infested water, we on the other hand have 22ish miles between dover and calais.

But what I'm saying is because of Europe we have an agreement with France to allow our border control to assist on there country along with their border control and police, if we leave will the French still allow this? Or will they just refuse to commit the large amount of funds required to control the flow of immigrants going through them. As once the immigrants are in this country it is a lot harder to stop them as if they have no passport we cannot send them back (or at least that is my understanding)

we dont get mass immigration from anywhere else in the world as its the company that
brings them in thats liable so airlines check visas and passports before they get onto a plane
only a small section of our coast is close to europe plus without us being the end destination do you think france is going to carry on letting them in which will start a domino effect as then italy will start to defend its coastline

 

[oz-plumber]

how can we have less control over immigration were an island? Australia seems to manage immigration quite well

Correct immigration is managed well.

Incorrect immigration - asylum seekers and visa over-stayers are managed on a case by case basis.

If someone overstays their visa allowance and their caught, they will be detained and put on a plane back to where they come from.

The problem with most asylum seekers, they destroy their passports and have no where to be sent to, except detention centres, some in Australia , but others outside Australia.

Quite a big issue over here, and has been for some time.
Women and children in detention centres - not pleasant, but if they don't tell you who they are and where they come from - how to you know for sure if they are just que jumpers, or refugees?

 

[Ray Stafford]

A better question is to ask why the migrants choose to march all the way across Europe, often crossing several EU member states, and queue up at Calais in order to get to Britain?

By far the most likely explanation is that they believe that they will get a better deal in the UK than in Germany, France, Spain, Italy or any of the other EU countries.

If they no longer believed that, why would they congregate in Calais, any more than in any other of a thousand provincial towns across the continent? So the answer to the "Calais problem" is not barbed wire, or more police. Its taking away the incentive.

I should stress that I have no problem with immigration. Properly controlled immigration can work for host country and immigrant alike. But the key words are "properly controlled", and we can't do that in the EU.

 

[jtsplumbing]

I've been told if we leave the price of a decent bottle of red will go sky high!!

Don't get any decent bottles from the EU, all the good wines come from Australia

 

[rpm]

A very non scientific survey of 4 customers today gave 4 out`s, reasons given were Not value for money paid in, UK laws for the UK and Immigration controls being the main reasons.

 

[jtsplumbing]

OUT vote for me, time to take back control of our own country, we have a proud heritage and history in this country that is being slowly wiped out, The EU is bleeding this country dry, The sooner we leave this Dictatorship the better, Lets put the billions paid to the EU back into redeveloping this country, instead of supporting the lavish lifestyles of the EU fat cats, This country prospered very well B4 the EU, trading with most other country's, take JCB most of there exports go to China & South America so gain very little from the EU , How will we be worse off ??? We need to leave now, If the vote says out ! how long will it take ? Next day ? 10 years time ? or will the numbers be fiddled to suit what the government wants ??

 

[Old Account]

It nice to see that a lot of people have an opinion but it would be better to know what's the reason in your opinion why you saying OUT ...

In !!!


Trades , investments and jobs depending on EU it's more pros than cons ...

 

[Chalked]

Could we put a poll up for this?

 

[julesverne]

Another interesting point is that the Uk is 5th largest economy in the world. That aint gonna dissapear overnight just because we want to leave the EU.

 

[Ray Stafford]

how long will it take ? Next day ? 10 years time ?

We have to give 2 years notice, so vote out on June 23rd, the first date we can get out (without breaking our commitment) is summer 2018.

 

[Ray Stafford]

Trades , investments and jobs depending on EU it's more pros than cons ...

Why would trade, investment or jobs decline if we were out Matchless?

 

[Rckape]

I'm another out. I can't stand Michael Gove (having never met him) but I can't deny he writes a good letter. His reasoning is aligned with my opinion on this issue.

The mind games have started already. I read in the paper at the weekend about a correlation noticed in a poll whereby the majority of in votes came from students and highly educated people with the majority of workers voting out. This implied to me that us workers are too daft to fully understand the consequences. Perhaps we should check out a poll on the forum of a 'highly educated' profession to see if the results bear out.

 

[SimonG]

If we leave can we then buy a pound of apples and a gallon of petrol again? 🙂

 

[newcastle phill]

Why would trade, investment or jobs decline if we were out Matchless?

Hes from Germany - what does he know lol !!! [emoji12] [emoji41] [emoji90]

 

[jtsplumbing]

We have to give 2 years notice, so vote out on June 23rd, the first date we can get out (without breaking our commitment) is summer 2018.

Roll on June, then we can hand our notice in,

 

[Toxic Ted]

It nice to see that a lot of people have an opinion but it would be better to know what's the reason in your opinion why you saying OUT ...

So.....didn't you read the other posts?

 

[Best]

Latest scare tactics against the No vote, -

Some Europe 'expert' says UK would be at risk of terrorism if it leaves Europe.
(Does that mean our friends in Europe will not share terrorist information?
Paris sadly wasn't exactly safe recently)

Also, some UK regions get special benefits from Europe which they will lose if we leave.
(This is a fact, but not a problem. Why would they have to lose any benefits if we pull out and save the 12 billion apparently we were actually putting in? Wouldn't then be a problem to cover the few million for deprived areas.)

Martin McGinness says Teresa Villers should resign because she is on the No side.
(Very very odd statement even by his usual and really laughable.
Teresa Villers has every right to opt for what she believes in, government minister, or not.
If McGinness is supporting something, in this instance Europe, then it must be against the UK.)

 

[dave1]

Why would trade, investment or jobs decline if we were out Matchless?

Not sure if this is accurate but I heard it in the TV last night, by being in the Eu we can trade within the Eu without paying taxes that would apply if was out?
Again apparently trading with India and China has apparently increased by being part of the Eu.
I'm still sitting in the out camp, based on what I've read about how much we are pumping into the Eu and without having a direct say on how we can govern our country and being an 'open border'.
We need to stop the economic migrants coming over its not about taking our jobs it's more then that, it's about overloading schools, health service and we are over crowded if you look at the housing situation.

 

[hammers4spanner]

What ever the outcome i fully expect the spin doctors for the YES campaign to go in full throttle of the next few weeks.

 

[Leo21]

I'm obviously very naive, I thought the government was there to represent us and our needs. And if they listened to us they're do something about financial migrants, if getting out of Europe is required. Then so be it.

 

[chris watkins]

What ever the outcome i fully expect the spin doctors for the YES campaign to go in full throttle of the next few weeks.

Spin doctors or someone putting the reasons why they think we should stay in?

I though quite a few of us wanted to here the arguments on both sides to become informed before we made up our minds rather than a sycophantic rush to vote no ?

 

[Ray Stafford]

Spin doctors or someone putting the reasons why they think we should stay in?

Both. And on both sides. As always in a political argument, it will be difficult to separate genuine analysis from spin.

 

[TFGplumbing]

I didn't stick the ERP sticker on my last boiler

OUT

 

[jonnyswamp]

With all the BS (spin) coming from both camps I'm still none the wiser TBH
If we lose any foreign investment (as in car manufacture etc, etc) as a result of leaving EU are we cutting our noses off ?
Will the limp wristed MP's actually control our borders effectively if we are out, I'd like to think so, but....

 

[Toxic Ted]

Spin doctors or someone putting the reasons why they think we should stay in?

I though quite a few of us wanted to here the arguments on both sides to become informed before we made up our minds rather than a sycophantic rush to vote no ?

I don't think many people will rush to vote either way, a lot of people have been waiting a long time for this opportunity and have known for a good while which way they wanted to vote. Unfortunately this is not like a general election where you get to vote again in a few years when things have not gone the way people wanted or expected. We won't get another go at this, so you better be sure what you want and the short term benefits of leaving or staying should not come into it. This is about long term effects on our country and the way we manage it or be managed by europe.

 

[chris watkins]

Both. And on both sides. As always in a political argument, it will be difficult to separate genuine analysis from spin.

As always Ray but it doesn't mean we shouldn't try.

With such a momentous decision having consequences across such a large & wide ranging parts of British life I would not want it to come down to just a sort term xenophobic reaction immigration.

 

[tamz]

Project fear is beginning already just as it did in the Scottish referendum. Exact same moves being made probably by the same people.
Give it another 8 weeks and if we leave every major employer in the country will be moving out, Britain will be hit severe depression and everyone will be out of a job, house prices will plummet to 1980's levels, the LSE and the banks will be moving to Majorca and indeed some may well predict a plague of pestilence etc etc.

You have no idea the amount of lies and nonsense you are about to be subjected to supported of course, by mainstream media.

 

[TFGplumbing]

Project fear is beginning already just as it did in the Scottish referendum. Exact same moves being made probably by the same people.
Give it another 8 weeks and if we leave every major employer in the country will be moving out, Britain will be hit severe depression and everyone will be out of a job, house prices will plummet to 1980's levels, the LSE and the banks will be moving to Majorca and indeed some may well predict a plague of pestilence etc etc.

You have no idea the amount of lies and nonsense you are about to be subjected to supported of course, by mainstream media.

This is why I won't watch tell-a-lie-avision

 

[Leo21]

This is why I won't watch tell-a-lie-avision

This is why I watch the snooker instead.

 

[Best]

This is why I watch the snooker instead.

But it is also a load of balls.