Gas Safe Inspection

[stevetheplumber]

out of interest ivor was that 400 labour only or did the fitter have to supply matierials ?

 

[Ray Stafford]

if the op isnt gassafe why is he allowed to make a contract to supply and fit a gas appliance

Same reason that anyone can contract with anyone to do almost anything.

When you go on holiday, you have a contract with a travel company - not the pilot of the plane - but you expect the travel firm to book you on an airline who employs qualified pilots. If you have private health insurance, the insurance company isn't a doctor.

The contract for provision of the service is separate from the competence of the operative that delivers it.

Think about the builder contracting to build the Olympic venue. Contract exists between builder and government for the whole stadium. The builder then subs out hundred of contracts to people like structural steelwork engineers, electricians, plumbers, concreters etc etc. They in turn either sub-contract or directly employ all the people who hold the relevant qualications to do the actual work.

There is no way that a single builder could possibly have all the relevant qualifications. His committment in his head-contract is that he will use qualified subbies for each part of the contract.

Ivors job is the same, just on a much smaller scale.

 

[SafeGasInstall]

Is thay the same boiler change that u posted abou that took fitter 3 working days and it was not done ! Here is my self well expirienced changing boilera and steve the plumber who is in n london , should you get stack in the futer you can call any of us and we will do 100% job

 

[tamz]

op must be gas safe if his details have gone in the book

I'd think so too.

 

[stevetheplumber]

that was why i asked if the fitter supplied anything a few trvs a wireless room stat and a new gas run to bring the job spec probably wouldnt leave you with much for your day out of £400 if yor not bringing the jobs up to spec then id sign it in your name

 

[REDSAW]

i may have the wrong person here?.

did you not state that your gas subbys are not allowed to leave their details with the customer and any future work shall be yours?.
therefore the subby is working directly for you not the customer so its your issue

also dont think you need to be gsr to sort a bit of plastic out.imo

by the way, are oyu saying the guy who cant get back to the uk untill xmas, came back for the inspection?.

 

[tamz]

Any subbing i've ever done for someone who is gas safe, eg to help out a mate or bigger companies, it is my name and card number but their details and reg number that go in the book. It is their job and their responsibility.
If they are not gs, builders developers etc, it is mine that goes in but the customers are well aware it is my responsibility. The builder or whoever only acts as an intermediary and adds his uplift whatever that may be. I take my agreed (with them) price and they charge whatever they like.
I wouldn't be fitting a boiler for £400 even if i supplied nothing except diesel but everyone to their own thing.

 

[Ivor Bates]

I don't have a problem or issue about my contract with my customer none whatsoever and it will be put right this week. I went this route with the sub-contractor to give him the opportunity to put things right at his expense and time. No he did not supply any materials everything was delivered onsite to him. He was employed as a sub-contractor, it was made perfectly clear in the advert for sub-contractors that they had their own GSR number, his details were then checked against the database held with Gas Safe. This confirmed he was registered I also have copies of his ACS and other documents veryfying that he was deemed to be a competent person. The log book in this case a Worcester 30CDi asks the question. Who commissioned the boiler and that persons registration number. It then asks for the company name and address. You cannot use another business GSR number unless that business has paid Gas Safe for you to be on their registration number, this is why companys such as BG do not allow it's employees to do private work on their registration number, so it becomes illegal. The sub-contractor can only work legally on his own registration number, so his details must be entered into the log book if he installed the boiler, this dosent mean that he guarantees the boiler or any of the fixtures, it just means that he is signing to say he has installed and commissioned the boiler correctly.
Before making any decissions I will be speaking to the inspector tomorrow, but regardless of what is said, knowing me I will probably take the sub-contractor to court to cover the labour costs after all he has been paid / contracted to install a boiler correctly.

 

[Ivor Bates]

i may have the wrong person here?.

did you not state that your gas subbys are not allowed to leave their details with the customer and any future work shall be yours?.
therefore the subby is working directly for you not the customer so its your issue

also dont think you need to be gsr to sort a bit of plastic out.imo

by the way, are oyu saying the guy who cant get back to the uk untill xmas, came back for the inspection?.

He said he was working in Holland, I automatically thought he was talking twaddle and making excuses which I now know to be the case as one of the electricians I use sat outside his house and watched him go to work in fact he followed him from Hertfordshire to London. Had he been upfront said he was really busy, apologised the chances are I would have left it at that. But because he tried to avoid the first email and then lied, I will persue him...

 

[stevetheplumber]

all comes down to pay peanuts get monkies

 

[REDSAW]

i may have the wrong person here?.

did you not state that your gas subbys are not allowed to leave their details with the customer and any future work shall be yours?.
therefore the subby is working directly for you not the customer so its your issue

also dont think you need to be gsr to sort a bit of plastic out.imo

by the way, are oyu saying the guy who cant get back to the uk untill xmas, came back for the inspection?.

lol.lol

responding to the wrong thread hahaha!.

still a point there somewhere though.

perhaps 14months a long time but you had bought situation to him for correction if not to cover his own bum and he failed to respond.
going to court for £80-100 is your risk if you want to spend xxxxxx more than its worth but dont hold your breath

 

[SafeGasInstall]

I dont belive it .......to make report to gas safe and take plumber to cort for
not funished prv and condense pipe .......OMG
I might be wrong but you could have done the work in 30min and save all this !!!!!

 

[Ivor Bates]

I dont belive it .......to make report to gas safe and take plumber to cort for
not funished prv and condense pipe .......OMG
I might be wrong but you could have done the work in 30min and save all this !!!!!

it is not just 30 minutes, secondly he should not have been using my details, thirdly he should not have lied, fourthly he should have done it correctly from the outset...

 

[PowerFlusher2]

I know its not your fault mate and you didnt carry out the install but could you just not have just sorted it and not use him again? Would have been easier in the long run. In saying this it should have been done right in the first place and I agree with what your saying. Gas safe arnt asways the most helpful people in the world

You are the master of understatement, mysk2008!

 

[PowerFlusher2]

Same reason that anyone can contract with anyone to do almost anything.

When you go on holiday, you have a contract with a travel company - not the pilot of the plane - but you expect the travel firm to book you on an airline who employs qualified pilots. If you have private health insurance, the insurance company isn't a doctor.

The contract for provision of the service is separate from the competence of the operative that delivers it.

Think about the builder contracting to build the Olympic venue. Contract exists between builder and government for the whole stadium. The builder then subs out hundred of contracts to people like structural steelwork engineers, electricians, plumbers, concreters etc etc. They in turn either sub-contract or directly employ all the people who hold the relevant qualications to do the actual work.

There is no way that a single builder could possibly have all the relevant qualifications. His committment in his head-contract is that he will use qualified subbies for each part of the contract.

Ivors job is the same, just on a much smaller scale.

I know I'm repeating myself but I will remind you that I posted recently, following a discussion with Gas Safe Register, that I was told that the requirement is for anybody who installs or works on gas installations to be registered with Gas Safe; there is nowhere that it says that Gas Safe Register is obliged to make sure their registered engineer does the job properly and they have 'no legal entitlement to question how well or how badly anyone on the Register does the job'. It has often been stated on here that Gas Safe Register is going to do absolutely nothing to risk the money which you guys have to hand over to be able to work legally. The more people they knock off the register the more money they lose!

 

[Orry Clayton]

why did it take 10 months before you was informed of the original problems?

 

[Masood]

it is not just 30 minutes, secondly he should not have been using my details, thirdly he should not have lied, fourthly he should have done it correctly from the outset...

Mate, sometimes life's just too short. It's a piece of PRV and condense. Is it really worth the aggro of going to court? Just don't use him in future and let it go...

 

[REDSAW]

gas safe

not condense and prv safe?