IDEAL ELAN 2 RS30: RAD above height of CH Boiler & Expansion Tank? Vented/Semi Grav?

[srands]

Re: IDEAL ELAN 2 RS30: RAD above height of CH Boiler & Expansion Tank? Vented/Semi G

Update your system, gd joke, since my 1980's CH Boiler averages Gas Consumption of 12 Gas Kwh per hour, I think compares well to modern Combi, Worcester quoted 10 Gas Kwh per hour & 0.150 Elec Kwh when being used, hence for 2 Gas Kwh per hour difference & typical £2k supply & fit install cost think my mechanical timer etc is ok as not bothered about a WiFi Timer/Temp Ctrl from HoneyWell.profession, who cares, security, ex Elec & ex Admin of Business Training Engineering/Construction apprentices of PetroChem Industry.

 

[Dotty]

Re: IDEAL ELAN 2 RS30: RAD above height of CH Boiler & Expansion Tank? Vented/Semi G

Usage of gas does not equate to efficiency pal. No one's joking.

You, at this moment in time, are trying to polish a turd.

 

[stevetheplumber]

Re: IDEAL ELAN 2 RS30: RAD above height of CH Boiler & Expansion Tank? Vented/Semi G

got to be 25 years old?

 

[SimonG]

Re: IDEAL ELAN 2 RS30: RAD above height of CH Boiler & Expansion Tank? Vented/Semi G

Polishing turds, an excellent Mythbusters episode.

I just love that phrase.

 

[Dotty]

Re: IDEAL ELAN 2 RS30: RAD above height of CH Boiler & Expansion Tank? Vented/Semi G

got to be 25 years old?

And then some.

 

[srands]

Re: IDEAL ELAN 2 RS30: RAD above height of CH Boiler & Expansion Tank? Vented/Semi G

mmm well room temp is cosy, and consumption of Gas & Elec compares to modern combi with very little difference, apart from looks & layout

Gas idle consumption: 0.16 Gas Kwh. Gas consumption in use: 12.8 Gas Kwh
Elec idle consumption: 58 W / 1000 = 0.058 Elec KWH. Elec consumption in use: 150 W / 1000 = 0.15 Elec KWH.

I know a Combi looks more sophisticated, but simply put the purpose of a CH Boiler is to heat water consuming Gas & Elec, and efficiency % statistics are useless tat, the only real variables:
GAS consumption: Idle & in use, easily measured from Gas Meter = Units x 32 = Gas Kwh
ELEC consumption: Idle & in use, easily measured from Appliance Watts / 1000 = Elec Kwh
TIME to reach TEMP: so most take 10 mins to reach temperature,
TIME for ROOMS to reach TEMP: depends on system & average rooms, guess an hour +

 

[tamz]

Re: IDEAL ELAN 2 RS30: RAD above height of CH Boiler & Expansion Tank? Vented/Semi G

30 -35 years old. RS so nothing much to break down and easy to fix.
They were great wee boilers.....in their day.

 

[srands]

Re: IDEAL ELAN 2 RS30: RAD above height of CH Boiler & Expansion Tank? Vented/Semi G

CH Tech Specs: I could say this in many words, here's my spreadsheet with actual figures:

sar1977.karoo.net/CHIdealElan2RS32.xls

 

[Chalked]

Re: IDEAL ELAN 2 RS30: RAD above height of CH Boiler & Expansion Tank? Vented/Semi G

mmm well room temp is cosy, and consumption of Gas & Elec compares to modern combi with very little difference, apart from looks & layout

Gas idle consumption: 0.16 Gas Kwh. Gas consumption in use: 12.8 Gas Kwh
Elec idle consumption: 58 W / 1000 = 0.058 Elec KWH. Elec consumption in use: 150 W / 1000 = 0.15 Elec KWH.

I know a Combi looks more sophisticated, but simply put the purpose of a CH Boiler is to heat water consuming Gas & Elec, and efficiency % statistics are useless tat, the only real variables:
GAS consumption: Idle & in use, easily measured from Gas Meter = Units x 32 = Gas Kwh
ELEC consumption: Idle & in use, easily measured from Appliance Watts / 1000 = Elec Kwh
TIME to reach TEMP: so most take 10 mins to reach temperature,
TIME for ROOMS to reach TEMP: depends on system & average rooms, guess an hour +

no one is having a go at your boiler, system, or you.your post was can you fit a rad higher than your f&e tank.?
Answer.... No, on your existing system.
yes..... If you convert it to sealed,or fit a combi.

Don't get into cost to run, or efficiency of your system.

 

[SilentMike]

Re: IDEAL ELAN 2 RS30: RAD above height of CH Boiler & Expansion Tank? Vented/Semi G

No one mentioned anything about a combi you dont need a combi to have a seald system.
bottom line you cant put a rad above the f&e tank so you either have to raise it or convert to a sealed system.

some of the stuff you put in post 10 is just laughable
modern plumbers know nothing of old systems?
working with copper is easy but why bother when you can use pushfit?
and all you have to do with a boiler is turn of the gas fit it and turn it back on?

 

[SimonG]

Re: IDEAL ELAN 2 RS30: RAD above height of CH Boiler & Expansion Tank? Vented/Semi G

Don't feed the troll 🙂

 

[kay-jay]

Re: IDEAL ELAN 2 RS30: RAD above height of CH Boiler & Expansion Tank? Vented/Semi G

Where's natural selection when you need it?

 

[Masood]

Re: IDEAL ELAN 2 RS30: RAD above height of CH Boiler & Expansion Tank? Vented/Semi G

Having read all of this I`ve got a headache!

My eyes are bleeding...

 

[srands]

Re: IDEAL ELAN 2 RS30: RAD above height of CH Boiler & Expansion Tank? Vented/Semi G

anyway Combi stats aren't much different or better then these:

CH Boiler Tech Specs Excel Page Website:
sar1977.karoo.net/CHIdealElan2RS32.xls

Plumbers I know say the majority of their calls outs can be categorized as:
i) Pump seized remedied by either replacing or hitting hard
ii) Cold Feed needs calc deposits unblocking in Expansion Tank Ball & Cistern as water flow has slowed to slow trickle instead of plentiful supply of water.
iii) Expansion Tank Ball & Cistern seized hence preventing top up of system as required due to evaporation
iv) Older system replaced with Combi, as trial & error testing of current CH's individual parts/systems thought not to be worthwhile as CH System considered to be derelict knackered wreck.

And Plumbers today are taught about newer systems, are over time became familiar with older systems, after all they are many Makes & Models that differ from year to year, and how can you know for certain about something you haven’t seen or installed yourself, same as Electricians are only taught about modern Consumer Unit Fuse Boxes not the older blow fuse box instead, or previous cable colour coding systems, and car mechanics/mot testers know much less about Carburetors cars then the now standard Fuel Injection cars.

 

[Dotty]

Re: IDEAL ELAN 2 RS30: RAD above height of CH Boiler & Expansion Tank? Vented/Semi G

You're definitely on a wind up. Read post #2 for the advice you should follow.

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