Illegal hot water tank install

[nick.batchelor]

Just had a dodgy builder install a hot water tank using a plumber who isn't G3 certified. They then got g3 gas Safe registered engineer commission it, but it doesn't meet building regs (wrong discharge pipe, plastic not metal) and he didn't register it with building control. Any ideas who I can report this guy to? Gas Safe aren't interested as it didn't break gas legislation (though they are going after the builder for illegal gas installation).


Thanks.

 

[Welder]

Really was only wondering if there is a body like gas safe that covers hot water tank installs as gas safe don't get involved in that. Local building control are involved at this stage

Unf none. It's local BC.

 

[WC1]

G3 is a building regulation. So building control are the enforcing authority.

 

[nick.batchelor]

Unf none. It's local BC.

Ta. Many thanks.

 

[WC1]

Snap!

 

[chris watkins]

Really was only wondering if there is a body like gas safe that covers hot water tank installs as gas safe don't get involved in that. Local building control are involved at this stage

Unfortunately there isn't unless the person who installed it is registered under a Competent Persons Scheme which they won't be.
If you paid the builder for the work to install the cylinder you will need to go back to them for redress as they would / should be aware that the installation falls under AD Part G (3) & it is notifiable.
If you paid for it yourself then you didn't carry out the due diligent tests to ensure that the person carrying out the work was competent to do so, unfortunately it will be down to you to get it corrected & notified as you are the house owner.

 

[WC1]

These people are around. They give us all a bad name. If one is operating in your neighbourhood best reporting might be to your friends and neighbours.

 

[SimonG]

Always two sides to a story, obviously poor work if gas safe involved (don't hold your breath) and wrong discharge pipe material, however just to quell my curiosity, were the works carried out by the cheapest quote?

 

[nick.batchelor]

Always two sides to a story, obviously poor work if gas safe involved (don't hold your breath) and wrong discharge pipe material, however just to quell my curiosity, were the works carried out by the cheapest quote?

Nope; was the middle priced and the whole build was project managed (laughable).

 

[SimonG]

Nope; was the middle priced and the whole build was project managed (laughable).

Curiosity quelled. Thankyou.

 

[king of pipes]

When your area gas safe representative vists to do a inspection point out your concerns these faults will need to rectified by a G3 engineer and any gas faults by a gas safe registered company , I have had experience of this having corrected a few installations the original installers had to repay a good percentage of the install costs and agree to retrain or lose their registration, their future installs are then inspected to make sure they meet a decent standard workmanship and all the regulations, believe me this is a real PITA and it will really make them think twice before breaking any future regulations . Kop

 

[TMHM]

Novice Q here, but why are gas-safe involved in a hot water tank, which I would have thought would be water (plumbing) rather than gas. Gas not being involved in a storage tank?


(never too old to learn 🙂)

 

[Welder]

Novice Q here, but why are gas-safe involved in a hot water tank, which I would have thought would be water (plumbing) rather than gas. Gas not being involved in a storage tank?


(never too old to learn 🙂)

The cynic in me says it's because it's simply a potential income stream 😱

 

[king of pipes]

Hot water cylinders are notifiable to building control so if you have the relevant qualifications recognised by Gas safe, then you can self certify the installation meaning it is fitted to the manufacturers instructions , the benchmark has been completed and the warranty registerd Gas Safe will issue a certificate of compliance like this . Cheers kop

 

[TMHM]

When replacing a hot water tank, how many peeps notify BC. Maybe you should, but replacing an existing unit...... How many do?

 

[king of pipes]

The cynic in me says it's because it's simply a potential income stream 😱

Hello Dave you ok mate explained that one ok bud ha ha 😀 but as you say its all a money making exercise, but on the other hand someone has to police it we all know for every cylinder registerd theres probably ten times more that dont . Cheers kop

 

[king of pipes]

When replacing a hot water tank, how many peeps notify BC. Maybe you should, but replacing an existing unit.... How many do?

Agreed but it causes problems if you should want to sell the property the solicitor will want to see that certificate of compliance and a paper trail back to the installer it helps to keep the installations to a certain standard, but many get fitted and forgot about as you say. Kop

 

[TMHM]

Agreed but it causes problems if you should want to sell the property the solicitor will want to see that certificate of compliance and a paper trail back to the installer it helps to keep the installations to a certain standard, but many get fitted and forgot about as you say. Kop

Lord help me here then, House is 60 years old and very little in the way of "certification". Whether work carried out "professionally" or by me.

 

[chris watkins]

Agreed but it causes problems if you should want to sell the property the solicitor will want to see that certificate of compliance and a paper trail back to the installer it helps to keep the installations to a certain standard, but many get fitted and forgot about as you say. Kop

Also ever tried making a warrantee claim on an unregistered cylinder (or for that matter a boiler).

I don't think householders realises that it is their responsibility as the owner to ensure work that requires notification is.

It is a shame a few more of them are prosecuted when this doesn't happen, it might make the rest think twice about employing those that can't or don't self certifier!!
It would also maybe encourage those who don't do things properly to do so.!!

 

[TMHM]

Also ever tried making a warrantee claim on an unregistered cylinder (or for that matter a boiler).

I don't think householders realises that it is their responsibility as the owner to ensure work that requires notification is.

It is a shame a few more of them are prosecuted when this doesn't happen, it might make the rest think twice about employing those that can't or don't self certifier!!
It would also maybe encourage those who don't do things properly to do so.!!

Without disagreeing, how many householders know all the intracasies of plummbing law, gas law, building regs, etc?
Is that not the reason to go to those that should?

 

[chris watkins]

Without disagreeing, how many householders know all the intracasies of plummbing law, gas law, building regs, etc?
Is that not the reason to go to those that should?

Absolutely, the problem as we know is anyone in this country can call themselves a Plumber so Joe public can't see the wood from the trees.

I did make the Law of the Land all I can tell you, & them, is that the first port of call for a prosecution for a breach of them is the property owner. And just saying I employed someone calling themselves a Plumber would not be seen as a defence on its own.