Is this glue against regulations ?

[Old Account]

hi guys,

I got called out to inspect some plumbing works.

Boiler: brand new vaillant, no filter, no reducer, no carbon monoxide alarm, prv pipe facing 2 sockets

Location: bathroom
Flue: no access to the flue at all, it looks pretty much they used an old existening flue

The prv pipe goes straight out into a little extension / bended down and right underneath is a 240v socket. It's not leading to outside.

System hasn't been flushed.
Company walked away without commissioning the boiler without registering the boiler.

What has to be done to make this to current regs and most of all safe ?

I am about to give the job to my gas safe mate. Just wondering what you think about this job and what would you roughly charge to register the boiler with gas safe? I think the flue, access and a filter should Ben installed, am I wrong ?


Would love to get an advise kind regards.

Ron

 

[Harvest Fields]

Have you got any pictures of the boiler and where it is location wise

 

[woodsy]

Looks like boiler will have to be refitted as flue looks too close to the roof and access to the flue is a must to meet regs. Filter is a must in my opinion but no regs insisting that you fit one.

 

[Harvest Fields]

The flue should be a vertical one. Not what is there but would like more pictures as if they have done that with the flue. Would like to see what the install is like.

 

[Old Account]

The flue should be a vertical one. Not what is there but would like more pictures as if they have done that with the flue. Would like to see what the install is like.

Basically the boiler is hanging in the bathroom entrance left hand side,

Flue disappears with a bend inside the extension roof without access and the flue looks also not new looks like used from previous boiler.

 

[ShaunCorbs]

All wrong get your gse to quote for a new boiler direct to customer

 

[Old Account]

All wrong get your gse to quote for a new boiler direct to customer

Ok, what shall I tell the customer why the boiler has to be re installed ? What reason can I give to do so ?

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Ok, what shall I tell the customer why the boiler has to be re installed ? What reason can I give to do so ?

What plumbing works were you there for ?

 

[Old Account]

Here are a couple of the boiler

 

[Last Plumber]

If they have used the existing flue !

Am I following you correctly Matchless. ?

The flue (and I could be wrong here), looks like the old baxi flue?
if it is the one i'm thinking of has it not got an aluminium exhaust ?

It would be RIDDOR reportable?

 

[Old Account]

What plumbing works were you there for ?

He called me up for a leak ( which I assume is central heating under a boarded floor with new carpet), plumbing under the kitchen sink very untidy pipework takes too much space, boiler loosing pressure every 5/6 weeks
Installing a new radiator vertical one.

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Wouldn't touch anything heating related till a new boiler has been fitted as its turn off and cap job

So you wernt there to have a look at the boiler?

 

[Old Account]

I also went out for banging pipework which only occurs when basin ( quarter trun tap ) and toilet is been used,

So i wanted to ask you how to solve this ... do i need to change the quarter turn valves ? Or prv at the mains ? , shock arrestor ?


What would you do ?

 

[Old Account]

Wouldn't touch anything heating related till a new boiler has been fitted as its turn off and cap job

Ok, does the flue look new to you ? To me looks the old existing one because the foam around it looks old too. Can you install a boiler in the toilet ?

Shall I tell him the boiler is RIddor and needs to be re installed to current regs ?

 

[Last Plumber]

Sounds like a 'Where shall we start job'

 

[Harvest Fields]

I wouldn't either. Get you Gas Safe mate to attend and do a report to check everything.

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Depends what does the toilet fill valve look like if it looks ok

Fit a shock arrestor under sink as I bet pipes arnt clipped

 

[Old Account]

Hahha you are quite right. Leaving the prv pipe inside the extension facing down to the sockets hahah

 

[Last Plumber]

Is that definitely the flue outside ?

The one inside looks downhill (unless it's just the photo )

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Ok, does the flue look new to you ? To me looks the old existing one because the foam around it looks old too. Can you install a boiler in the toilet ?

Shall I tell him the boiler is RIddor and needs to be re installed to current regs ?

Get your gas safe engy to do a site visit and let him do it / go through it himself

 

[Old Account]

Depends what does the toilet fill valve look like if it looks ok

Fit a shock arrestor under sink as I bet pipes arnt clipped

They've got those fancy old Victorian toilet and taps but brand new with a push button flush valve but with handle

 

[Harvest Fields]

You say the flue is hidden. Is the boiler in the middle of the house or on an external wall?

 

[Old Account]

Thanks very much to you all for carrying so much!

Much appreciate to every single one !

Thanks guys

 

[ShaunCorbs]

You say the flue is hidden. Is the boiler in the middle of the house or on an external wall?

I'm guessing was external till they extended

 

[Old Account]

You say the flue is hidden. Is the boiler in the middle of the house or on an external wall?

Flue is the bathroom which has a bend inside the extension roof and then you only see the flue on the slope roof very close the roof ... there is no access to the flue pipe whatsoever

 

[Last Plumber]

Been trying to work out where the glue is LOL

 

[Harvest Fields]

Have you checked the loft space for a flue? Stupid question but thought I would ask

 

[Old Account]

Is that definitely the flue outside ?

The one inside looks downhill (unless it's just the photo )

I couldn't see any other flue except from this one, even though it needs access to the flue regardless if the one is been vertical or horizontal...

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Flue is the bathroom which has a bend inside the extension roof and then you only see the flue on the slope roof very close the roof . there is no access to the flue pipe whatsoever

This is how I would word it

You can either talk / send a letter to the owner

Saying you don't like how the boiler has been fitted but your not gas safe reg so you would recommend someone who is checking it out

You can find your own gas safe engy

Or I can recommend one

Mr jones
Ahfy gas engineers
395369427)35@£

Somthing like that etc

And let them go direct to your gas safe engy / get somone else

 

[Old Account]

Been trying to work out where the glue is LOL

Writing mistake !🙂 couldn't change it

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Been trying to work out where the glue is LOL

Maybe sniffing when they installed it 😀

 

[Old Account]

Have you checked the loft space for a flue? Stupid question but thought I would ask

Yes , and couldn't see any other flue

 

[Last Plumber]

I can't believe anyone would use that old flue onto a new appliance.

There must be something you're missing ?

Are you sure they haven't just left it in the wall ?

 

[Old Account]

This is how I would word it

You can either talk / send a letter to the owner

Saying you don't like how the boiler has been fitted but your not gas safe reg so you would recommend someone who is checking it out

You can find your own gas safe engy

Or I can recommend one

Mr jones
Ahfy gas engineers
395369427)35@£

Somthing like that etc

And let them go direct to your gas safe engy / get somone else

Thank you very much Shaun much appreciate will definitely send it to him

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Thank you very much Shaun much appreciate will definitely send it to him

Or something like it I'm sure you could word something better 🙂

 

[Old Account]

I can't believe anyone would use that old flue onto a new appliance.

There must be something you're missing ?

Are you sure they haven't just left it in the wall ?

Honestly I couldn't find any other flue in the house. There is also no loft space

 

[Old Account]

Or something like it I'm sure you could word something better 🙂

It's a good guideline definitely appreciate it.

 

[Old Account]

Or something like it I'm sure you could word something better 🙂

What is the valve on the gas pipe ?

 

[ShaunCorbs]

What is the valve on the gas pipe ?

There isn't one

 

[Harvest Fields]

It's a reducing tee with an end capped off

 

[Last Plumber]

What is the valve on the gas pipe ?

Gas pipe has a tee stop ended on branch and to right on the return is a mesh strainer

 

[kris]

Wouldn't touch anything heating related till a new boiler has been fitted as its turn off and cap job

So you wernt there to have a look at the boiler?

Cant just shut it off till u have your definative proof that its dangerous,
matchless = do all your saftey checks, emmisions , check the flue , then accertain if its at risk or it is dangerous
If it was me and it was dangerous then cap and warning and certainly not new boiler simply a new flue , no sense costing the poor customer a load of money for no reason,
Certainly looks like a cowboy who installed it,,,
Is the benchmark filled out and all tests done and signed ???

 

[Old Account]

Outside back garden no other flue

 

[Last Plumber]

Cant just shut it off till u have your definative proof that its dangerous,
matchless = do all your saftey checks, emmisions , check the flue , then accertain if its at risk or it is dangerous
If it was me and it was dangerous then cap and warning and certainly not new boiler simply a new flue , no sense costing the poor customer a load of money for no reason,
Certainly looks like a cowboy who installed it,,,
Is the benchmark filled out and all tests done and signed ???

He's not GSR Kris. (matchless)

 

[Harvest Fields]

Cant just shut it off till u have your definative proof that its dangerous,
matchless = do all your saftey checks, emmisions , check the flue , then accertain if its at risk or it is dangerous
If it was me and it was dangerous then cap and warning and certainly not new boiler simply a new flue , no sense costing the poor customer a load of money for no reason,
Certainly looks like a cowboy who installed it,,,
Is the benchmark filled out and all tests done and signed ???

He cannot do checks he is not Gas Safe

 

[Old Account]

Cant just shut it off till u have your definative proof that its dangerous,
matchless = do all your saftey checks, emmisions , check the flue , then accertain if its at risk or it is dangerous
If it was me and it was dangerous then cap and warning and certainly not new boiler simply a new flue , no sense costing the poor customer a load of money for no reason,
Certainly looks like a cowboy who installed it,,,
Is the benchmark filled out and all tests done and signed ???

No benchmark that's why he asked me about the commissioning but I cannot do it therefore I'll get my mate to do the job with me. Thanks for your responds and help

It's a pleasure to ask you all guys

 

[Last Plumber]

Who built this house you're working in matchless ?
Jack ?

How's that fence panel down there under the house?
I know it's my screen not showing photo right so I can't make it out properly?
It looks like a large plywood extension built on a fence LOL

 

[Old Account]

I haven't got a clue about the fence extension hahaha didn't see that 🙂 ..
I am not working there just went out as the customer asked me to come and check the water hammer, pipework alteration under the sink, leak in the floor / central heating, installing new vertical rad

 

[Old Account]

I believe if you install a boiler inside the bathroom you need to consider the zoo nes too don't you ?

 

[Last Plumber]

Is there a monster in zoo ness?

sorry matchless, i'm just having a silly half hour

 

[Old Account]

Is there a monster in zoo ness?

sorry matchless, i'm just having a silly half hour

I like that Humor ... its great to have a laugh ... don't you worry , I am easy going

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Cant just shut it off till u have your definative proof that its dangerous,
matchless = do all your saftey checks, emmisions , check the flue , then accertain if its at risk or it is dangerous
If it was me and it was dangerous then cap and warning and certainly not new boiler simply a new flue , no sense costing the poor customer a load of money for no reason,
Certainly looks like a cowboy who installed it,,,
Is the benchmark filled out and all tests done and signed ???

He's not gas safe flue isn't vailliant and flue in boxing I'd cap and turn off simple

Would only be a new boiler if vailliant wouldn't warrenty it or if cus is ok with this

 

[ShaunCorbs]

I believe if you install a boiler inside the bathroom you need to consider the zoo nes too don't you ?

Elec side but if it's in a cupboard no need to think of these as in different zone

 

[kris]

Never realised op wasnt regd, is the flue in a void ? i thought it was a straight out horizontal flue,,
Even if Vaillant didnt warranty it could it not have a new vertical flue installed ,
I mean the home owner obviously was the one who got the boiler installed i take it ?
if so hed have the engineers details , either get them back to fix or get a new gsr eng in to assess and rectify as neccessary , i certainly wouldnt want the original fitter back going by the mess hes left,

 

[Old Account]

Unfortunately he doesn't want anyone coming as he is scared they'll turn the boiler off. Flue is on the void. I gave him a price from my gas safe engineer for relocating but he hasn't got any money now and wants other opinions. I guess he realised that the ppl weren't the best 🙂

 

[Harvest Fields]

I would get the gas supplier to cut it off outside. He would have no choice but to get it looked at properly then. That terminal might not even be connected.(or it might be) but who in the hell knows.

 

[Old Account]

If it's connected then surely with 2 different type of flues, and most likely old one with new one.

I don't know what tell him now, my mate wanted to charge £1500 for relocating the boiler, commissioning and filling the benchmark out, to certify the boiler and register it with gas safe.

I think it doesn't seem very bad though. But as soon as he heard the price he said he hasn't got the money ... but what about your own health and safety though ? What would you guys do leave it as it is or .... ?

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Unfortunately he doesn't want anyone coming as he is scared they'll turn the boiler off. Flue is on the void. I gave him a price from my gas safe engineer for relocating but he hasn't got any money now and wants other opinions. I guess he realised that the ppl weren't the best 🙂

?? How did your gas safe engy give him a price when he hasn't seen it ??

 

[Old Account]

when I called him I told him that my mate could come within the next hour to to assess the boiler properly. However, he asked me what would be roughlay the price if the flue and and few other things are wrong. I then mentioned that in worst case scenario he will need to relocate the boiler but that decision would be made once he is there. So basically he got a little bit afraid and said he cannot afford such a costs and is worried he will turn the boiler off.

I just told him his rough figure and he went like ah sorry but cannot afford it at the moment. I mean it's a qypuite surprise for him though but that's what it is ... if a gas safe decides it has to be done then he has no other way.

 

[kris]

Surely it has to be rectified by the eeediots that fooked it up , its terrible that the poor custard has to pay anything since hed already paid but there in lies the rub = did he cut corners to get a cheapo install done and u get wot u pay for scenario, unfortunate

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Surely it has to be rectified by the eeediots that fooked it up , its terrible that the poor custard has to pay anything since hed already paid but there in lies the rub = did he cut corners to get a cheapo install done and u get wot u pay for scenario, unfortunate

Or did the builders do it when they extended

 

[kris]

Yeh thats very possible ,,, certainly wasnt done by someone with half a brain,

 

[Old Account]

Unfortunately the customer told me he bought the property like this, which I don't believe.

He mentioned he has to top up the boiler every 5/6weeks so he surely had someone not doing the job right. He also mentioned the company or whatever you call it disappeared somehow

 

[Scott_D]

DIY and wants it signed off

 

[firemant]

FFS: Is this a wind up?

???: I suspect a dodgy installation that I am not qualified to asses. Hmm... Do I get my RGI mate to inspect or do I take a multitude of pointless bad photos and ask for comments from equally unqualified forum users?

I hope you did not charge the punter for all the photo time?

 

[Harvest Fields]

Someone sounds not happy🙁

 

[Old Account]

FFS: Is this a wind up?

???: I suspect a dodgy installation that I am not qualified to asses. Hmm... Do I get my RGI mate to inspect or do I take a multitude of pointless bad photos and ask for comments from equally unqualified forum users?

I hope you did not charge the punter for all the photo time?

I do not know what your problem is.
I did not do the job as I am not qualified. Furthermore, it's not your business about any charges here. And yes, you are quite right it's a dodgy messy install therefore I got called out regarding few other things. However, as mentioned above I have told him that he may need to relocate the boiler or whatever is necessary to get the boiler up to regulations.

 

[Scott_D]

The problem is if someone gas safe went to the property they would have to AR or ID the install and probably cap it off or call out the grid. Regardless if the customer can afford to have it sorted, if its dangerous it need to be shut down

 

[Harvest Fields]

The problem is if someone gas safe went to the property they would have to AR or ID the install and probably cap it off or call out the grid. Regardless if the customer can afford to have it sorted, if its dangerous it need to be shut down

That's why I said get him switched of in the street. He will have to sort it then. But then again I can be quite harsh sometimes😛😛😀

 

[Old Account]

I understand the point but I am not a gas safe engineer and he doesn't want any help anymore as I told him about the boiler before doing any other work. He is not keen on changing anything and not willing to get my gas safe reg mate in. So there is then only option to call national grid. ? ?

 

[firemant]

No

I don't understand hat you expect from the good people here? The punter is not prepared to pay, you feel bound to take some sort of action, and as NO-ONE, except Nat. Grid or equivalent, even a RGI, is allowed to disconnect without the owners permission, the only avenue is phoning NG.

 

[Old Account]

No

I don't understand hat you expect from the good people here? The punter is not prepared to pay, you feel bound to take some sort of action, and as NO-ONE, except Nat. Grid or equivalent, even a RGI, is allowed to disconnect without the owners permission, the only avenue is phoning NG.

Seriously I haven the got a clue what you on about. Obviously I cannot take any actions except from calling national grid. And what do you mean by "expecting from the good people here ?"

I already informed them, so I don't know what happened.

 

[rpm]

I don't understand hat you expect from the good people here?

Seems simple enough situation, matchless has come across a badly installed boiler and a customer who doesn't want to hear about spending money not being gas safe yet he asks "What would you do?"

 

[Ch4 plumbing]

Bottom line is you need to call it in, your not doing him or his family any favours by ignoring it, even if you call it in and they GSR engineer says it is safe it doesnt cost you anything!

You have seen it and you in my opinion although not GSR have the knowledge to see that it isnt right and it could be dangerous!

You are then the responsible person and should act!