Reports of CO poisoning

[diamondgas]

Strike CO from your mind and think about the normal reasons you'd issue a RIDDOR. If none of those reasons were evident, then no need to bother.

Ultimately i could not prove anything reportable regards RIDDOR! Other services may have deemed it neccessary but i could not! (YOUR HONOUR) 🙂

 

[tamz]

Don't worry about it.

 

[diamondgas]

Don't worry about it.

I don't Tamz ... I believe i have enough experince to know!

Hope I have 🙂

However there's a sad line seems to be appearing between knowing and proving, or is it recording?? Sad! Real sad! If i was to blame for the death of someone I'd be suicidal!!

 

[tamz]

I know you have but don't dwell on it.
However, if you are putting anything down in writing make sure everything is spot on including the kitchen ventilation regardless of the normally open adjoining door.

 

[diamondgas]

I bleedn' woke up this morning still thinking about this. Some jobs do that 🙂

Thanks for the info you sent me CMariD, much appreciated I think! lol ... reading B Standard I didn't do too bad considdering it's not an every day venture into reported CO! And not something greatly covered in reassesment I might add! Maybe it should be something practiced and tested on for us to get our FGA qualification? On a practical note, I didn't know there was Gas Safe paperwork out there to cover these incidents. I may have to get me some for the future.

Regards fumes migrating from other properties, in hindsight if it was the case then the tenants would be dead by now as i got there 5 days later! Imagine if there had been though!

Thinking about an ambient air with the hob running; if the tenants had answered yes when i asked them if they were using the hob at the time I may have been more thorough in testing. As it was they had not been cooking on the hob and they reported the smell coming from the boiler! Lesson learned though. When i go back to do the CP12 I may pop the hob on for 1/2hr 🙂

 

[Pssst]

ESPs do not carry atmospheric monitoring equipment save for a combustible gas detector. Thier license does not require them to do so. Some ESPs have issued PAMs to their engineers but most havent. Its all political.

The effects of CO are generally ***ulative and you can bet that if you turn up at a job,the occupants will still be in the premises. If they arent ill or dead then its fairly safe to assume that you can enter !

ESPs will simply make safe unless for example,there is a situation where there is am alarm which is only flagging detector/battery fail beeps and there are no signs/symptoms. In any other circs they may issue either a CFS/AR/DGI notice to prompt further investigation by someone who has done the necessary BS training and has equipment for atmospheric testing.

Truth is that if you attend a real CO incident,there is usually some evidence.

I have known ridiculous situations in which the punter is still in the house whilst the FB are wearing BA and wandering round..!

ROTFL..the whole situation needs looking at for sure...

Ms Trotter,whilst being well meaning..is not in possession of all the facts.

 

[diamondgas]

Wise words Pssst 🙂 I've been fortunate in that I too have attended many reports of fumes and also 2 near fatal incidents where occupants have been hospitalised. That was when we use to do it all and I also working for the bigger corporations. This being my first in the capacity of being self employed caught me questioning the whole process & my self I guess. All of a sudden I felt responsible in a totally different capacity, if that makes any sense! Also, its all well and good taking 3-4hrs setting up and checking ambient air readings if there's a real threat or incident where people have been effected. But if you've got a negative pressure combi boiler & a perfectly clean burning hob and folk saying they smelt something funny and both had headaches! ..................*shrug*
And who pays for all the wasted time proving what you knew after 1/2hr of tests? Don't get me wrong I'm not that bothered about making it or not but it's a big chunk out of a day, time wise, that can have a knock on effect. I'd like to think my questioning the occupants and their response meant no need to be so thorough as maybe regulations request?
My main reason for starting the thread was to find out others thoughts on what they'd have done & also some reassurances that I'd carried out a decent response! With the FB and ESP's attending it took some re-assuring the tenants that all was okay 🙂
We're all individuals end of the day and maybe some would have insisted on being more thorough. Maybe some would have dismissed it straight away and not carried out as much testing as I had?

Thinking about it now though I think any reported incident of gas, CO being one of them, should be attended and checked out by the Emergency Service Provider's. As mentioned, what if it was migrating CO from another property? It took the landlord 5 days to contact me!!!