swaps (combi to combi)

[ShaunCorbs]

How much you installing combis for straight swap eg baxi for baxi, Worcester for Worcester , ideal for ideal

labour part only, as I'm thinking about 600 is too much ?

many thanks
Shaun

 

[Howsie]

Are you flushing? Are you busy at those rates?

 

[Scott_D]

I aim for main materials + 500-600
Depends what sort of flush you are doing and things like new condense run, lime fighter, new controls etc

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Are you flushing? Are you busy at those rates?

Flushing via manga cleanse unless very old system

And

Clock
Room stat
New adey manga
Connecting all the existing services
Stnd flue

 

[newcastle phill]

I dont take into consideration make for make.
I go off if its condensing for condensing (or not) at the same location using the same hole in the wall.
Usually aim for approx 700.

Flush is commensurate with system working properly.
If rads are cold or other issues suggesting a clogged system and it needs an intense clean - i charge more

 

[quality]

I wouldn't touch a combi swap for less than £1000. But for 1 maybe 2 days work I would charge more considering the work involved.
look at job
Source and buy materials
install and commission
Sign off and invoice
receipt and banking

Those days off working for nothing are gone

 

[ShaunCorbs]

I wouldn't touch a combi swap for less than £1000. But for 1 maybe 2 days work I would charge more considering the work involved.
look at job
Source and buy materials
install and commission
Sign off and invoice
receipt and banking

Those days off working for nothing are gone

1k labour ?

 

[lame plumber]

£2300 -2500 parts and labour, pointless working for less, take a good 2 sometimes days to do things tidily, ensuring a clean system with all controls functioning correctly. Bugger morning bashing one on the wall. But it is a choice you make, lot of people out there working hard and for not a lot, I rather work for a reasonable amount and be home at a reasonable time as well

 

[quality]

1k labour ?

Yes I have overheads that anything less would not cover

 

[ShaunCorbs]

£2300 -2500 parts and labour, pointless working for less, take a good 2 sometimes days to do things tidily, ensuring a clean system with all controls functioning correctly. Bugger morning bashing one on the wall. But it is a choice you make, lot of people out there working hard and for not a lot, I rather work for a reasonable amount and be home at a reasonable time as well

Just seen in the paper 995 combi to combi baxi duo 28 with power flush, that's what made me think

Mines coming out 1840 with Worcester atm

 

[newcastle phill]

To be frank all these i wouldnt this....I wouldnt do that posts make me raise an eyebrow.

Perhaps if i lived in windsor or harrogate id get away with that.

All my work is perfect. Neat and tidy - done the right way but market forces and region dictate largely what you can get away with charge wise.
A combi swap takes me one day and its done right and flushed.

Some either work too slow ot charge too much HAH [emoji12]

 

[lame plumber]

To be frank all these i wouldnt this....I wouldnt do that posts make me raise an eyebrow.

Perhaps if i lived in windsor or harrogate id get away with that.

All my work is perfect. Neat and tidy - done the right way but market forces and region dictate largely what you can get away with charge wise.
A combi swap takes me one day and its done right and flushed.

Some either work too slow ot charge too much HAH [emoji12]

I work in one of the poorest income areas in the country, so market forces argument doesn't seem to apply, being as it takes a good morning to flush an average house you must do some long days 🙂

 

[Scott_D]

What boiler would this usually include? Intergas?

£2300 -2500 parts and labour, pointless working for less, take a good 2 sometimes days to do things tidily, ensuring a clean system with all controls functioning correctly. Bugger morning bashing one on the wall. But it is a choice you make, lot of people out there working hard and for not a lot, I rather work for a reasonable amount and be home at a reasonable time as well

 

[lame plumber]

What boiler would this usually include? Intergas?

Of course 🙂, preferably an HRE compact as the rapids are a tadge heavy

 

[newcastle phill]

Nope i work efficient. The flush is flushing away while im decomissioning and then hanging new one.
First thing i do
TT.
Meter off etc.
Flush on.
Then boiler off etc
I dont hang about and work alone

If you can get that money - good for you.
But if you worked around here at those prices you wouldnt be working long

 

[Ch4 plumbing]

To be frank all these i wouldnt this....I wouldnt do that posts make me raise an eyebrow.

Perhaps if i lived in windsor or harrogate id get away with that.

All my work is perfect. Neat and tidy - done the right way but market forces and region dictate largely what you can get away with charge wise.
A combi swap takes me one day and its done right and flushed.

Some either work too slow ot charge too much HAH [emoji12]

No point in rushing around but saying that with the apprentice working that day I would expect to get a combi swap and powerflush done in 1 day.

 

[lame plumber]

Nope i work efficient. The flush is flushing away while im decomissioning and then hanging new one.
First thing i do
TT.
Meter off etc.
Flush on.
Then boiler off etc
I dont hang about and work alone

crack on there mate, your main failure is to ensure the kettles on, I work alone as well, it is rare I ever get one with no issues that means it gets done in a day, you must have younger legs and work in bungalows, most of the houses round here are on hillsides and masses of steps, takes a 1/2 morning to cart the gear in 🙂

 

[newcastle phill]

Bungalows i wish haha
Too many blooody fancy flats round here.
No fun lugging up and down the stairs.

Id love to charge more - dont get me wrong.
But ive tried and just didnt get work.... but i still make good money for me anyway !!!

 

[lame plumber]

Bungalows i wish haha
Too many blooody fancy flats round here.
No fun lugging up and down the stairs.

Id love to charge more - dont get me wrong.
But ive tried and just didnt get work.... but i still make good money for me anyway !!!

I always get people saying they cant charge more, but if you sit down and work out earnings required to pay for your van insurance time off etc etc, you will be shocked at the hourly rate needed to achieve this. I advice folks to sit down put all their fixed costs, variable costs down on paper, work out the no of hours they actually spend working then do the sums. Then you may rethink your hourly rates 🙂 We have a bloke down here advertizing £35 boiler servicing and £25 for a land lord check 2 appliances, I am not worried, he wont be that busy for long 🙂

 

[hammers4spanner]

Loads of guys round here bashing them for a grand that includes all mats and labour pretty pants to be honest

 

[Ch4 plumbing]

Loads of guys round here bashing them for a grand that includes all mats and labour pretty pants to be honest

Where about's are you Hammers?

What including boiler?

what are they fitting boiler wise?

 

[lame plumber]

have a read of this, not the most accurate example, but may give some new to running their own business an idea of how to work out what they need to charge to survive Plumbernomics; Average Hour Rates, Day rates why plumbers charge those rates, what to expect to pay in London UK - Culkin Plumbing and Heating. North West London.

 

[hammers4spanner]

In Plymouth,

See adverts all the time and know few lads that put them in for a grand its cheap tat tho however bottom line for cust is price here

 

[WaterTight]

I advice folks to sit down put all their fixed costs, variable costs down on paper, work out the no of hours they actually spend working then do the sums. Then you may rethink your hourly rates 🙂

I advise folks to skip that, pretend you did and then use the imaginary figure to justify the highest rate people will pay you and you'll stay busy with.

 

[lame plumber]

I advise folks to skip that, pretend you did and then use the imaginary figure to justify the highest rate people will pay you and you'll stay busy with.

all good pretending, unless your working too cheap 🙂

 

[newcastle phill]

Naturally ive worked out all my costs and like anyone need to know where i need to be. But on average at 700 clear per install thats not a bad rate.

My van is super organised.
My materials are always spot on for what i need becuse ive had a good look at quote time (except once)
Only had to go out once because i didnt notice but poofix give me 40mm waste instead of solvent weld.
I still got it done in a day but didnt finish til 9pm. Apart from that all run of the mill really...

I have sincerely tried to charge more but notwithstanding the odd exception - people ring about and the market sets its own rate- around here anyway lol.

Most have little....and the rest are fur coats and no knickers...

Following on from a thread a few days ago - i know this because when I have follow up called after a week or so - i have been told so "we got someone for less" (the market force value)

 

[lame plumber]

Naturally ive worked out all my costs and like anyone need to know where i need to be. But on average at 700 clear per install thats not a bad rate.

My van is super organised.
My materials are always spot on for what i need becuse ive had a good look at quote time (except once)
Only had to go out once because i didnt notice but poofix give me 40mm waste instead of solvent weld.
I still got it done in a day but didnt finish til 9pm. Apart from that all run of the mill really...

I have sincerely tried to charge more but notwithstanding the odd exception - people ring about and the market sets its kwn rate- around here anyway lol.

Most have little....and the rest are fur coats and no knickers

i thought i was the only ocd plumber to have a tidy van with all I ever need in it 🙂 I see that your fibbing about the no of days it takes you, as the rest of us stop at 4 and then carry on the next day 🙂 so if your working that extra 5 hours you aint clearing £700 a day more like£350 🙂🙂🙂

 

[newcastle phill]

LoL - [emoji12]

Just the once hah

 

[tamz]

Loads of guys running around here throwing in like for likes for £800 - £1000
Best flush it gets is when they open the blow off to let the pressure out, bang the new one straight onto the pipes and out the door in under an hour.

The people paying for it dgaf about anything except price.
Stay away from them unless you are desperate.

 

[plumben]

Boiler swap for me is 2-3 days if its Combi to Combi,
That's allowing for flush with mains water, remove old boiler, use old flue hole or drill new,
Remake all connections making pipe work as neat as possible, run new condensate
Swap 2-3 radiator valves install wireless room stat and fit filter

Any rad changes, more valves or gas run to upsize i'll add extra days depending

 

[TFGplumbing]

Mines coming out 1840 with Worcester atm

Very similar to my pricing then; did an Si compact the other week for about that
I usually power flush too.
Took me 2 days, tidy profit in that for me

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Very similar to my pricing then; did an Si compact the other week for about that
I usually power flush too.
Took me 2 days, tidy profit in that for me

do you get many ? boiler changes etc as i seem to only get about 1/3 back and thats all the decent makes (boilers)

 

[Linkyplumb]

Combi to combis at the moment for me are £2750, using 831s, or logic plus.

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Combi to combis at the moment for me are £2750, using 831s, or logic plus.

get many? thats nearly the price of a full system (boiler rads etc)

 

[Linkyplumb]

Loads, got three this coming week, two the week after, and four first two weeks of april