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Underfloor Heating Not Getting Up To Temperature

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Bootneck

Hi,

I have a wet UFH system which includes a 9 port manifold that heats 5 loops downstairs and four loops upstairs. I do not have any radiators in the house and the manifold is located next to my boiler (Baxi Combi 130HE) in a downstairs utility room. I moved into the property 7 months ago so have inherited the system. The house has only been built 11 years so I presume it was installed when the house was built. The problem I have is that my room temperatures (specifically in my living room which is upstairs) will not get above 17/18 degrees even when the room stat is set at maximum. When I turned the heating on for the first time it seemed to function correctly however over the last couple of months I have noticed it deteriorate. There is plenty of heat from the flow pipe at the manifold but the return loops are either luke warm or cold.

I initially thought the problem lay with the blending valve but this has since been replaced. I have tried adjusting settings on both the boiler and blending valve but the highest room temperature I get is 18. The impeller on the pump has been checked and it seems to be operating fine. All of the flow meters read at around 1 l/min except for the living room loop which is at 3. This to me does not make sense as although this is showing the highest flow rate this is the worst loop for circulation.

I have included a few photos of the manifold should anyone be able to help.

Also just to confuse the issue further, there is a gate valve which I believe is a manual bypass valve (just visible at bottom of first photo). Can anyone tell me whether this should be open or closed. To date I have been told three different things; one person said open, one said closed and another said open a bit. Would the incorrect position of this valve affect the heating output?

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Strange set up, haven't seen one with pump positions like that.

Is the flow hot after the blending valve?
 
I believe it is made by Polyplumb, this is at least the manufacturer of the the replacement blending valve. The flow is hot after the blending valve. No rads or towel rails, only source of heating is underfloor.
 
Ok so yea you need the bypass as all the flows have actuators and this individual boiler purges its pump every so often when not in use, should really have an automatic one fitted.
 
Are ou sure it worked correctly? The flow restricters (the little things with the numbers on) can usually be adjusted too, usually just by turning anti clockwise to open more .
 
Did it get up to temperature when we had the first cold spells /snow?

Re the set up, looks like a nice proffessional install, except to me the pump and blending valve should be at the other end on the manifold.
 
When we had the first spell of cold weather (before Christmas) that's when I first noticed it was not getting up to temperature. Even in the milder weather since it has not got up to anything over 18 degrees.
Re; Flow restrictors, I know I can adjust the flow rate of each individual loop by removing the actuator and using the bleed key to adjust. I have tried this but I cannot seem to see any difference on the flow meters. I looked on Polyplumb's website for guidance. As far as I can make out the loops can be balanced as I described above but on the website it also states the flow meters can also be screwed in or out to isolate each individual loop. I think my flow meters are slightly different as I can see no way of doing this.
 
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The ones ive fitted you can fit a radiator vent key on the top and turn them that way.
 
Try pulling some water of the drain points on the manifold, depending on how the pipes were laid it cold be airlocking the loops or sludgy. do one loop at a time..
 
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I can't work this manifold out, surely the pump position is prioritising the recirculation of the return water ?
 
turn off the pump and give the flow meters a tap with a screwdriver they are prone to getting stuck dont use the flow meter for regulating the flow they should only be used for closing a circuit, take off motorised the head and adjust flow with a vent key. the pump and three port are correctly positioned , what temerature is the mixed water set at?
 
Underfloor heating done all in copper?
Is it a sand and cement screed on floors??

The underfloor pipes are plastic Polypipe. Only copper piping at manifold. Downstairs is laid in screed, upstairs I believe is suspended timber floor.
 
Flow meters jammed? Does red bit move up or down slightly when pump goes on or off? Try it with one circuit open and the rest closed.
 
turn off the pump and give the flow meters a tap with a screwdriver they are prone to getting stuck dont use the flow meter for regulating the flow they should only be used for closing a circuit, take off motorised the head and adjust flow with a vent key. the pump and three port are correctly positioned , what temerature is the mixed water set at?

Flow meters were stuck, thanks. I have noticed that when I take off the head and adjust with the vent key the meter is now moving. I know it's difficult to say without seeing the size of the system, but as a rough figure what should these meters be reading? If needed how do I close an individual circuit as I don't believe this type of flow meter will screw in (there is nothing that a vent key would fit onto). I know I shouldn't do this to adjust the flow rate but I was thinking in case I need to drain/flush the system.

Current output temp of mixed water is 55 degrees. I have tried various settings with this also but it has not made any difference to the room temp.
 
Well done for sorting it,Thats what the forums are for throwing ideas about, the flow regulators should twist round with your hand. should thank the guys that put you on the right track regarding the regulators.😉
 
Well done for sorting it,Thats what the forums are for throwing ideas about, the flow regulators should twist round with your hand. should thank the guys that put you on the right track regarding the regulators.😉

Will do, thanks. The white plastic outer of the flow meter does twist round, but it only seems like this is spinning around the glass vial. It does not seem to screw anything down that would close the circuit.
 

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