What fittings

[Old Account]

Hello all engineers just a quick question to avoid another sort of leak or problem in the future.

What sort of fittings would you use to re install the shower valve ?

The customer told me that the previous plumber has used a kind of silicon / gum stuff to seal the fitting they had a massive leak which caused a big flut in the house

I am not a speedfit / push fit lover at all, I like old school plumbing with copper,pipes.

but what sort of ways or fittings or changes would you do to re connect and seal it without having a problem in the future ?


thanks for help guys

 

[ShaunCorbs]

is that the pic of the installation ?

you have two options

one rip out and start again (best option if you can)

two male iron to copper/push fit

 

[Phil]

Sounds like he's use LSX or something to seal the threads.... Where was it leaking from, the male irons? If so which side?

PS...you need a new blade in your Multimaster...😀

 

[Old Account]

is that the pic of the installation ?

you have two options

one rip out and start again (best option if you can)

Thank you you two for your help so far !


This picture is from the customer I received today I haven't been there yet going there tomorrow morning.

I cannot tell you exactly where it leaked from but according to the customer from the fittings itself.

I will need to speak to the customer first about re install the plastic to copper but it will cost them too much. She already moant about hourly rate charge.

Would you rather take male iron to copper or to push fit ?

I am going to take the male irons out and will use loctite later on. But do not like the grey push fittings.

i think they do not want me to re install everything but asking me about certificates and insurances etc 😉 so they are calmed down after receiving my documents and certificates.

They just do not want a cowboy that's what they said. To me it doesn't look really cowboy just quick and fast installation that's all.

 

[Old Account]

Phil
Thank you for your help too.

Does lsx help at all ? Never used it and I'll never try using this stuff just wondering if it helps at all

 

[ShaunCorbs]

if they dont want to change it just use male irons in push fit, think they grey stuff is poly plumb (cheap) if you can try and use something like jg or hep

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Phil
Thank you for your help too.

Does lsx help at all ? Never used it and I'll never try using this stuff just wondering if it helps at all

and think there ptfe on the male threads i would use locktight 577 if you could

 

[Best]

...So the previous guy does that mess and does joints that leak and flood their home, - and they are going to check YOU out and YOUR insurance and proof of YOUR qualifications!
What a joke. Horse has bolted long ago with that one.

 

[Phil]

If they had a big flood, I'd say one of those Lego elbows had come apart, a poorly fitted male iron would just weep.

 

[Best]

Ptfe tape is perfect for male threads if you do it right. But if the shower valve has only 2 or 3 threads then it is harder to seal.
Male fitting with a shoulder at end of threads give a good seal if they lock up against the valve body.
I would also use some V2 JetLube - it acts as a lubricant on male threads (more tape goes in threads) and also helps seal.
I would rip that all out and start again as it is only a few pipes.

 

[rpm]

Top pipe on right hand side has separated from the valve.

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Top pipe on right hand side has separated from the valve.

think they cut and capped the pipes mate as right top and bottom are capped and left top and bottom are as well

 

[Geyser]

Top pipe on right hand side has separated from the valve.

They have all been capped off

 

[rpm]

Should of gone to specsavers.

 

[rpm]

think they cut and capped the pipes mate as right top and bottom are capped and left top and bottom are as well

Which begs the question why would they do this and do they know exactly what & where the leak was?

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Which begs the question why would they do this and do they know exactly what & where the leak was?

or they were scrambling and just in cap everything off 😀

 

[rpm]

or they were scrambling and just in cap everything off 😀

Or emergency plumber just smashed the wall then cut and capped to make safe.

 

[plumben]

I'd Be very careful if you have gave them your insurance details already, take pictures of everything before and after,

 

[Old Account]

and think there ptfe on the male threads i would use locktight 577 if you could

I do not use ptfe / very rarely, most of the time loctite

 

[Old Account]

I'd Be very careful if you have gave them your insurance details already, take pictures of everything before and after,

That's a good one I have got all on my email address so already backed up a little.

I really do not where leak was will find out tomorrow morning. But apparently some joints were leaking ... She wants me to re install and check with her together before I leave.

She also mentioned in case something will happen in the future she can hunt me down in case I've done something wrong.

A little weird to be behaviour isn't it. Or is that normal when you had a flut in your house and the previous plumber was apparently a cowboy ?

Do not think he was a real cowboy though.

Will see if she wants me to do all new as she already moant about the costs as she asked me about the hourly costs.

 

[Old Account]

Thank you all for your advise , I really appreciate it !

 

[Best]

For one little insignificant job you are being asked very unfairly for too much detail about yourself.
Your insurance details are your private business and it should suffice that you give a domestic house owner customer just the bare details of your insurance cover. They should not get what it cost you or name of insurance company.
Just because the potential customer has been foolish to get a poor job done and were traumatised by the experience doesn't mean you should be grilled like a criminal for what? Half a days wages? I would walk away.
Look at it this way, - The customer has been checking you out and all your papers etc, - but are you able to check her out? Are you certain she will be decent, kind, honest, not try to fraud you, pay you and fully at end of job? Where's her paperwork and references?

 

[Old Account]

For one little insignificant job you are being asked very unfairly for too much detail about yourself.
Your insurance details are your private business and it should suffice that you give a domestic house owner customer just the bare details of your insurance cover. They should not get what it cost you or name of insurance company.
Just because the potential customer has been foolish to get a poor job done and were traumatised by the experience doesn't mean you should be grilled like a criminal for what? Half a days wages? I would walk away.

You are quite right, I just thought it would be helpful to calm them a little down , now I am a little fool 😉

Anyway, they want me to do re grouting bathroom floor, 2nd bathroom re sealing the bath,
Re install the pipework and check that after reconnecting no leaks appear.

But moaning when it comes to asking me What's my hourly rate.

What would you charge for such a job as listed above ?

 

[ShaunCorbs]

dont do the re grouting of the floor, if the grouting is cracking / moving theres something wrong underneath esp if its upstairs

 

[Old Account]

dont do the re grouting of the floor, if the grouting is cracking / moving theres something wrong underneath esp if its upstairs

Good that you mention it, I'm not going to do it then they might forgot to put the anti crack Matt in dura base ... Thanks shaun

 

[Best]

You are quite right, I just thought it would be helpful to calm them a little down , now I am a little fool 😉

Anyway, they want me to do re grouting bathroom floor, 2nd bathroom re sealing the bath,
Re install the pipework and check that after reconnecting no leaks appear.

But moaning when it comes to asking me What's my hourly rate.

What would you charge for such a job as listed above ?

To be honest, I do same thing with people who have had a bad experience with previous plumber and normally it works very well. Sometimes it just is so much hassle and wasted time. When you do a good job, they tend to think of you as a true professional, so it can be good in many ways and they probably will tell all their friends of you.
Cost I guess depends on which area you work in, but that is repair work and should be charged high.

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Good that you mention it, I'm not going to do it then they might forgot to put the anti crack Matt in dura base ... Thanks shaun

yep or might be straight on chip board no 6mm ply or as you say matting

and about a day for doing the shower and about 2 hours for the bath

but you have to say some where you cant be responsible for the full installation after you finished (leaks)

and rate what ever your on now + a bit so round me its 30 so about 35-40

 

[Old Account]

But if a leak appears in 6 month time then your are screwed 😉 they will hunt you down to Chinatown 😉

 

[ShaunCorbs]

But if a leak appears in 6 month time then your are screwed 😉 they will hunt you down to Chinatown 😉

time to run for the hills once your done 😀

 

[Phil]

Ha ha ha yes..."can you regrout my shower please"

You get there and every tile is dead blown and plasterboard as wet as a old cardboard box left out in the rain for 7 months.

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Ha ha ha yes..."can you regrout my shower please"

You get there and every tile is dead blown and plasterboard as wet as a old cardboard box left out in the rain for 7 months.

or the cus says it will only take you 10 mins and there a 1/2 gap between the bath and tiles 😀

 

[Old Account]

time to run for the hills once your done 😀

On way already ... You never know how fast they are

 

[ShaunCorbs]

On way already ... You never know how fast they are

😀 thats the spirit, you know most plumbers won the fastest 100m dash ;D

 

[plumben]

That's a good one I have got all on my email address so already backed up a little.

I really do not where leak was will find out tomorrow morning. But apparently some joints were leaking ... She wants me to re install and check with her together before I leave.

She also mentioned in case something will happen in the future she can hunt me down in case I've done something wrong.

A little weird to be behaviour isn't it. Or is that normal when you had a flut in your house and the previous plumber was apparently a cowboy ?

Do not think he was a real cowboy though.

Will see if she wants me to do all new as she already moant about the costs as she asked me about the hourly costs.

if it was me once you and the customer have both checked the install and both are happy, i'd get the customer to sign the job off as no leaks and checked, and make sure you've got photo evidence, just in case they try to play you later on if theirs another leak thats not to do with you work,
Sometimes the customer is just a bit paranoid, after all it is there Home that they've worked hard for, But sometimes there looking to play you and complaining about your hourly rate but wanting the job done properly doesn't sit right with me, I'd be telling the customer that if they dont want any leaks like the last they you have to pay for a proper job

 

[plumben]

or the cus says it will only take you 10 mins and there a 1/2 gap between the bath and tiles 😀

the last job i had like that the bath had dropped 2" at one end
I had to pull the bath out and batten the wall, I put it level and there was still a 2" gap as the tiles where cut to the un-level bat, 4 tubes of silicone and 100mm flat plastic and the job was 4x the original price for siliconeing the bath

 

[ShaunCorbs]

the last job i had like that the bath had dropped 2" at one end
I had to pull the bath out and batten the wall, I put it level and there was still a 2" gap as the tiles where cut to the un-level bat, 4 tubes of silicone and 100mm flat plastic and the job was 4x the original price for siliconeing the bath

That's the cookie or the plastic shower trays with the stupid amount of flex on them

 

[plumben]

That's the cookie or the plastic shower trays with the stupid amount of flex on them

the Mira Flight trays that are about 5mm thick and people just stick a few blobs under them instead of a solid bed

 

[ShaunCorbs]

the Mira Flight trays that are about 5mm thick and people just stick a few blobs under them instead of a solid bed

Aren't flight trays stone cast ?? But get your point

 

[plumben]

Aren't flight trays stone cast ?? But get your point

I might be getting my trays mixed up,
The really light plastic ones, the first time i picked one up i nearly launched it into the ceiling

 

[ShaunCorbs]

I might be getting my trays mixed up,
The really light plastic ones, the first time i picked one up i nearly launched it into the ceiling

I know what you mean and the type Frisbee I call them 😀

 

[Millsy 82]

If they are questioning price before you start and asking about insurance etc then I would walk.

I bet they were a pain and went for the cheapest, when it went wrong the fitter didn't answer the phone and ignored them. Now they are trying to do the same. If you have already said that you will go round then walk in and give them a stupid price to fix it and walk out again better that than getting a bad name for not turning up.

If you do do it then do what you are happy with take photos of before and after. Me personally would want to repipe it back to copper as if one joint has popped then the fitter has done something wrong as they don't pop for no reason or at least I've never had it before.