Yes indeed. But we've moved on from that so I hardly think that is a relevant point.
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Yes indeed. But we've moved on from that so I hardly think that is a relevant point.
Very true, especially when the countries affected by Malaria deaths can't feed the population they have now.
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No I wouldn't class you as an extremist. But i base my opinion on what I've read about the EDL what ive been told and what I've seen
I wouldn't go to an EDL meeting as I have no interest in what they stand for and who leads them.
Who are our heros and who abuses them?
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If its wasn't religion, it would be something else.
There seems to be something in human nature that makes us essentially tribal, and prone to ganging up with "people like us" to kill, maim, rape and rob "those others".
Religion has been one rallying cry, but there have been others. More recently we have done the same thing in pursuit of political ideology - Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot - they all killed millions. In Mao and Stalin's case, tens of millions. In the past, the likes of Tamerlane and Genghis Khan killed hundreds of thousands and millions respectively, pretty much for just "not being like us".
I don't have the stats to hand, but I think that the plague, malaria, sleeping sickness, spanish flu and cholera have all done their bit to keep the population in check.
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The soldiers on there homecoming parades being harassed and verbally abused by Islamic extremists
The soldier brutally butchered by Islamic extremists on a British street
This is the extreme and is unacceptable but are you really more concerned about this or
1) we pay nurses a pittance
2) are old people cant get enough heat in their homes in the winter
3) we have more homeless service people on our streets than ever
4) loads of other things
We tend to focus on the wrong things, mainly encouraged by the media.
To add you name to Edinburgh UAF statement please
Email: [email protected]
Or "Like" this statement on fb
JOIN THE UNITE AGAINST FASCISM DEMONSTRATION
“WE STAND TOGETHER”
1pm Saturday, 1 June at the Scottish Parliament
Below is a statement on the recent murder in Woolwich and details of a despicable protest organised by the Scottish Defence League. Please forward and share this information.
Unite Against Fascism-Edinburgh sends its condolences to the family and friends of the soldier murdered in Woolwich. There can be no justification for such a terrible attack on an individual.
Despicably, racist and fascist organisations such as the Scottish and English Defence Leagues are trying to use this tragedy to whip up racism and direct hatred against all Muslims.
We must not give a quarter to those who would judge an entire religion, race or nationality by the actions of a few. We do not hold Norwegian Christians responsible for the actions of the fascist Anders Breivik, whose 2011 rampage left 77 dead. We do not hold all white British people collectively responsible for David Copeland, the former BNP member who planted bombs across London in 1999. Nor should anyone suggest that Britain’s Muslims are collectively responsible for the attack in Woolwich.
The Scottish Defence League (SDL) have organised a protest to try to stir up trouble and racist violence in the wake of the Woolwich killing, they do not care about the dead soldier, his family or the interests of any community.
We stand together to oppose the SDL protest outside Scottish parliament on Saturday 1 June.
Email: [email protected]
Or "Like" this statement on fb
JOIN THE UNITE AGAINST FASCISM DEMONSTRATION
“WE STAND TOGETHER”
1pm Saturday, 1 June at the Scottish Parliament
Below is a statement on the recent murder in Woolwich and details of a despicable protest organised by the Scottish Defence League. Please forward and share this information.
Unite Against Fascism-Edinburgh sends its condolences to the family and friends of the soldier murdered in Woolwich. There can be no justification for such a terrible attack on an individual.
Despicably, racist and fascist organisations such as the Scottish and English Defence Leagues are trying to use this tragedy to whip up racism and direct hatred against all Muslims.
We must not give a quarter to those who would judge an entire religion, race or nationality by the actions of a few. We do not hold Norwegian Christians responsible for the actions of the fascist Anders Breivik, whose 2011 rampage left 77 dead. We do not hold all white British people collectively responsible for David Copeland, the former BNP member who planted bombs across London in 1999. Nor should anyone suggest that Britain’s Muslims are collectively responsible for the attack in Woolwich.
The Scottish Defence League (SDL) have organised a protest to try to stir up trouble and racist violence in the wake of the Woolwich killing, they do not care about the dead soldier, his family or the interests of any community.
We stand together to oppose the SDL protest outside Scottish parliament on Saturday 1 June.
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Exactly but they are all a bigger problem than what has just happened but we don't care.
The EDL are giving Muslim extremists exactly what they want by taking the bait. Division is what they are seeking, division is what they are causing. Of course all the people that jump on the anti fascist bandwagon, who by the way are every bit as bad as the edl when it comes down to it are just doing exactly the same thing.
You don't put out a fire by giving it fuel.
You don't put out a fire by giving it fuel.
probably the single most retarded thing I've seen done since this started. If those people, their houses or their families get attacked then things will kick off big time. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
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Really? The guys who they are against just chopped someones head off in the street in broad daylight.
So do I Howsie. But if the extremists are trying to spread fear and division what better way to do it? The EDL retaliating in a gift to them. Best recruitment tool they ever had.
turns out they tried this with the bnp and the people they named were anything but
dont agree on pasting this on here as slanderous and breaking just about every privacy law their is
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Wrong as you have released a list of people supposed link to edl without any proof the same group gad done this with the bnp which proved to be anything but. To post that list is pretty stupid and all it is doing and to be on denial about the stupidity of it beggars belief
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I agree with alot of whats said about edl knuckle draggers but I really dont agree posting a list of names and details with zero proof. The same lot done this with supposed bnp members and they turned out to be anything but !!
Sorry but just dont agree as its saying guilty before any proof
Sorry but just dont agree as its saying guilty before any proof
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Bigger problem than a mum an being butchered in the street
Murders in cold blood are not a big problem for you then!!!!
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I'm not saying anyones guilty, nor have I posted a list of names. I have simply posted a link to something that is publicly availably on the Internet. It is not slanderous nor does it break ANY law.
They also did it with the BNP and the Muslim extremists if my memory serves me well.
Youve provided a link to access as bad as imho
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is my name on there?
oh, sorry mines on the other EDL list................ elongated dick league. 😉
oh, sorry mines on the other EDL list................ elongated dick league. 😉
All murders are a problem for me, all of them. I don't see anyone protesting about the murders of Kevin Benett or April Jones, yet clearly the problem underlying these murders cause more deaths/problems in the UK.
So what I did isn't now against the law or slanderous? Make up your mind.
They did do this with the bnp and it turned out the majority of the names linked had absolutely no link's what sp ever to the bnp . This anonymous lot are a bincj of dangerous idiots
Re. your first statement: I did not know that and haven't read that. Where have you read this?
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Normal Muslim people are exactly the same as you and me human
But when the Islamic fanatics of witch there seems to be plenty about Britain
preach hate and murder in our country and its allowed as to say or do anything then they are the one saying we are racist come on now what a joke
I'm all for freedom of speech but not when it's trying to get supporters to kill bomb and main that should be dealt with with utmost action straight away
And they also want to bring in there own law
A law that treats woman as second class citizens children can become abused mothers fathers disown and even murder there own children for bringing so called shame on the family yea right but murder is ok
If you Believe in a god do you honestly think this should be there laws
I THINK NOT
But when the Islamic fanatics of witch there seems to be plenty about Britain
preach hate and murder in our country and its allowed as to say or do anything then they are the one saying we are racist come on now what a joke
I'm all for freedom of speech but not when it's trying to get supporters to kill bomb and main that should be dealt with with utmost action straight away
And they also want to bring in there own law
A law that treats woman as second class citizens children can become abused mothers fathers disown and even murder there own children for bringing so called shame on the family yea right but murder is ok
If you Believe in a god do you honestly think this should be there laws
I THINK NOT
I'm not entirely convinced 'Anonymous' is what people think it is. It wouldn't surprise me if certain servants of the state are the ones actually pulling the strings.
Also, I have a problem with people being murdered, especially when they're being murdered on foreign soil where we have just cause for doing so. Terror threat my bum.
Also, I have a problem with people being murdered, especially when they're being murdered on foreign soil where we have just cause for doing so. Terror threat my bum.
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Actually mate, Afghanistan never did pose an international terrorist threat. After driving the USSR out the Taliban were quite happily oppressing their own people and growing opium. The only reason Afghanistan got dragged into the so-called "war on terror" was because Bin Laden was hiding there. The US could easily have sent in the Navy Seals to take him out without "bombing them back to the stone age" as Dubya so charmingly described it.
By bombing and invading Afghanistan and Iraq on false pretences, the US and UK have given ammunition to the radicals. They now have fuel for their rhetoric and examples of how the western infidels are attacking Islam. And that is how home-grown British Muslims become radicalised, non-Muslims become converted, and the cycle is perpetuated.
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I agree with everything you said there mate but not the immediate threat bit
And also the opium was and is the money for these terrorist
I do Believe That everyone has a right to live there own lives there own beliefs but not when it comes to threatening and violence just for living the way we live
I hate bullying and intimidation of any kind
And from what little knowledge I have radical Islam is full of it
Now I'm sure that there are good Muslims and bad. But does anyone in here actually know about the religion in full? Devout Muslims are a different kettle of fish, not all are radicals obviously.
Look up there full practises and then comment. And before anyone starts on me in not suggesting mass deportation of a religion. Know your facts in full, lovey dovey sugar coating isn't always the best way forward.
Look up there full practises and then comment. And before anyone starts on me in not suggesting mass deportation of a religion. Know your facts in full, lovey dovey sugar coating isn't always the best way forward.
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Hmmm i kinda agree but well over 50% of the opium in the uk weather it be pure or cut down has come from afghanistan ! But it does t really need to be invaded to stop that !
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The Talibans' anti narcotics officers would imprison poppy farmers until they agreed to destroy their crops and grow something else. The Taliban leader, Mullah Omah banned poppy growing and even augmented it with a religious edict making it contrary to the tenets of Islam.
As for 'who said it' - the UN Drug Control Program did. They sent a team, in early 2001, to Afghanistan to check out what impact the Afghan poppy crops were having on the world's supply of heroin and found that under the Taliban it had all but been completely erradicated.
With American help later that year the poppy farmers were back in business.
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Lol so it's America that's the opium/ heroin dealers sorry I didn't know that
So my mates that have served in Afghanistan in last few years where lying to me when they say they saw first hand that the farmers are payed more for the opium crops by the Taliban than they could make growing crops
And the millions the American DEA spend burning crops is just make belive
Have you been to Afghanistan to see it first hand or are you just reading this rubbish
Keefy you belive what you want and ill belive what I want simple
This was an official UN investigation as reported at the time by the Associated Press. Maybe the Taliban are growing it now, maybe it's the only way they can afford to keep fighting these days but when they were in power they banned it outright and even sought the UN's help to get their farmers to grow other types of crops to help make the country more self sufficient.
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And you don't think these un investigation can be set up to look that way to the investigation teams
Lol and I bet the Taliban was given in money to help them at the time also
Like I have said you belive what you want ill belive the people I know who have been there and done it
No, not as the UN investigated areas which the year before had produced almost 90% of the opium in the whole of Afghanistan, they found a few acres of it here and there but the other 175,000 acres where clean. As for the Taliban doing it now, maybe they are I don't know, maybe they're doing it to fund their fight but I'm talking about the time they were in power.
I see whats one of the killers is going into court this morning ,
whats the odds this becomes some type of politcal platform?
whats the odds this becomes some type of politcal platform?
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I've searched twice and nothing has come up. It is reasonable of me to assume it doesn't exist.
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