This is mutleys previous attempts at flues above first floor. Strange how he's been doing cp12 for last 7 years...... Sellotape, paper and some prolly fills on inside .
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This is mutleys previous attempts at flues above first floor. Strange how he's been doing cp12 for last 7 years...... Sellotape, paper and some prolly fills on inside .[/
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At least they used the collars on the top 2
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Went to a leaky toilet just. Take your pick of where the leak was.
3 chances of a leak
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Ermintrude
Well. What a lovely day.
Rads won't Heaton first floor and they take a very long time
They have had a "specialist" in. So the called the "special" ones.
Heating load 700m2 open office and production area canteen and reception ...... 12kw? Yeh ok
The header is below top of rads.
Boilers been in for 3 years....
Couldn't work out why the water heater in kitchen and loo kept tripping out, they replaced immersion and stat?
40mm push fit waste nice clips
Fitted unvented
Identified that no inserts used anywhere!
Rads won't Heaton first floor and they take a very long time
They have had a "specialist" in. So the called the "special" ones.
Heating load 700m2 open office and production area canteen and reception ...... 12kw? Yeh ok
The header is below top of rads.
Boilers been in for 3 years....
Couldn't work out why the water heater in kitchen and loo kept tripping out, they replaced immersion and stat?
40mm push fit waste nice clips
Fitted unvented
Identified that no inserts used anywhere!
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I would ban gas hobs, get a induction much more efficient and hyper safe.
Gas Hob
Smells
Goes out in the wind on low flame
more heat on the handle of the pan than the bottom
mess when pan boils over
more moisture in kitchen
hell they have nothing going for them
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happyflyer
If this is a holiday let should there not be paperwork for it GSR, there may not be the original Benchmark returned to the manufacture
but surely the LL, was that wall ever cored drill, I think it would have fallen apart with the hammer on, the overflow above the flue if that goes off the boiler will be going into condensing mode OK , if this is the outside what's inside like, The Greasy Carpet Brigade.
Looks like part of Hadrians Wall
but surely the LL, was that wall ever cored drill, I think it would have fallen apart with the hammer on, the overflow above the flue if that goes off the boiler will be going into condensing mode OK , if this is the outside what's inside like, The Greasy Carpet Brigade.
Looks like part of Hadrians Wall
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Got a call from a landlady to go to one of her properties to see about a system where the heating is coming on when they put the water on. She meets me there and takes me straight up to the cylinder cupboard. I said it's probably the 3-port and then I ask where the boiler is?
'What boiler, there isn't one'.
Hmmm. Explain to her that there has to be a boiler otherwise why is there a coil and a 3-port valve and the immersion heater has no plug on the end.....after a few minutes of odd conversation, the tenant overhears and says 'what about the backboiler downstairs'.
I go downstairs, she points at this. I already know what's coming.
Been in use like this since the tenant moved in many years ago. Obv no certificates ever done. Landlady swears a gas engineer did it, but oddly, couldn't remember his name.
'What boiler, there isn't one'.
Hmmm. Explain to her that there has to be a boiler otherwise why is there a coil and a 3-port valve and the immersion heater has no plug on the end.....after a few minutes of odd conversation, the tenant overhears and says 'what about the backboiler downstairs'.
I go downstairs, she points at this. I already know what's coming.
Been in use like this since the tenant moved in many years ago. Obv no certificates ever done. Landlady swears a gas engineer did it, but oddly, couldn't remember his name.
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I made it clear to her how unbelievably dangerous this was. No way a gas engineer did that.
3 young kids in the house too.
I should add the cap on the gas is obviously what I did. This boiler was fully in use.
3 young kids in the house too.
I should add the cap on the gas is obviously what I did. This boiler was fully in use.
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Have a similar one. One of our lads went to friends house she's got kids bbu been off for 6 weeks or so. LL trying to get her try for green steal. He went as he offered to replace thermocouple FOC. He called me as he was a little confused how the fire worked, it was flue less on front of Bermuda. Bbu failed spillage told him to cap and leave . No cp12 and now LL man is going tomorrow to reconnect. ......... Told Tennant to record him doing it as he said it's fine.
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Watching with interest.Have a similar one. One of our lads went to friends house she's got kids bbu been off for 6 weeks or so. LL trying to get her try for green steal. He went as he offered to replace thermocouple FOC. He called me as he was a little confused how the fire worked, it was flue less on front of Bermuda. Bbu failed spillage told him to cap and leave . No cp12 and now LL man is going tomorrow to reconnect. ......... Told Tennant to record him doing it as he said it's fine.
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Came across this beauty today.
Not sure how the thermostat works with just one wire to it. Seems to be a two port missing as well. So that's 3 safety devices missing/not connected then. Temperature can only be set by the boiler stat.
IMG_20140912_134854170 by Mike Jackson1, on Flickr
Well that looks safe then. The single wire coming off goes to the stat on the cylinder. Not entirely sure what it achieves.
IMG_20140912_134858640 by Mike Jackson1, on Flickr
Yes that speedfit is D1, the discharge from the prv on the heating tees into this as well. There is no tundish and this pipe rises before discharging through the fascia board at high level. Guess as there's no D2 a fall isn't required.
IMG_20140912_134909794 by Mike Jackson1, on Flickr
IMG_20140912_134914948 by Mike Jackson1, on Flickr
IMG_20140912_134928757 by Mike Jackson1, on Flickr
This has got to be the worst unvented installation I've seen in a long time. Called out because it was tripping the electrics. This was due to the pump leaking but I refused to just change the pump. Going back tomorrow to discuss options with the house holder. Going to be serious money to put this right, looking like a couple of days time I've flushed the system as well.
Not sure how the thermostat works with just one wire to it. Seems to be a two port missing as well. So that's 3 safety devices missing/not connected then. Temperature can only be set by the boiler stat.
IMG_20140912_134854170 by Mike Jackson1, on FlickrWell that looks safe then. The single wire coming off goes to the stat on the cylinder. Not entirely sure what it achieves.
IMG_20140912_134858640 by Mike Jackson1, on FlickrYes that speedfit is D1, the discharge from the prv on the heating tees into this as well. There is no tundish and this pipe rises before discharging through the fascia board at high level. Guess as there's no D2 a fall isn't required.
IMG_20140912_134909794 by Mike Jackson1, on FlickrIMG_20140912_134914948 by Mike Jackson1, on FlickrIMG_20140912_134928757 by Mike Jackson1, on FlickrThis has got to be the worst unvented installation I've seen in a long time. Called out because it was tripping the electrics. This was due to the pump leaking but I refused to just change the pump. Going back tomorrow to discuss options with the house holder. Going to be serious money to put this right, looking like a couple of days time I've flushed the system as well.
Hey mike that's a beezer of install that. I've seen the odd single cable like that only when sparks don't have 3core n earth so the put in 2 core n earth and a single . But that must be a new model stat with a bi directional cable lol ... its a good job you attended as youl sort the mess.
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I can't do that I'm afraid. This install was done by a local gas safe registered guy. I assume the condense pipe from the boiler in the kitchen just discharging onto the concrete was down to him as well.
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Mike,
I agree with you all the way except the soil pipe, the cast iron alternative is too awesome to even consider, just imagine going to the merchants in your van and putting the soil fitting in for half a dozen houses you would need two trips, I know what you mean anyway, I once went up a triple extension ladder with a ladle of molten lead and a blow lamp to keep the lead liquid and poured it into a CI offset past a gutter, only on a listed building would you do this today, but no ladder, softies need a scaffold, these guys today don't have a clue what went on, three points of contact my bum, I am still here to tell the tale, I will write a book one day and burn it.
The Combi boiler and push fit, burn them with my book
Old Baldy Git
I am not convinced the downfall of the industry is down to new materiala and techniques I would attribute it to the fact that it is known who put the abomination in but they are still out there aloud to do it again. He should be struck off and have his qualifications / registrations revoked.
Rogue installers / service providers and cowboys qualified or otherwise are the problem not materials and techniques. We need a standards and regs policing body with real powers to condemn instalations over defects of all kinds and hold those responsible to account.
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I think everyone will agree with your sentiments, alas its never going to happen
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thats never going to happen the gas side is regulated to within an inch of its life and the most popular page in the gas installer mag is the bad installs page
all regulation does is cost the good guys more and give the cowboys even more profit
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As true as it is there'd still be cowboys avoiding the system and we'd all end up having to pay for an inspection putting our prices up for the privilege just because we do the job right
I agree no further regulation for gas or any other plumbing is required. Just need to police it. My comments were as a reply to the post showing an abysmal unvented instalation aparently completed by a gsr still trading in the area. How is this allowed to continue. What are the regs good for if they cant even keep registered guys to maintain the standard or allow guys who cant work to the required standard to be registered in the first place.
Speaking of regulations and cowboys. A self certified install that had a completly unclipped flue with sections that werent even screwed together. There was two sections of flue that were lying in the loft that had obviously been cut too short and had to be discarded. The boiler was in a bedroom. The return iso had been left almost fully closed so it had leaked and scaled up and the pump was burned out.
The prv was left open out the bottom of the boiler. Probably because the boiler is in the middle of the house and they couldnt be bothered to run any pipe.
Was only put in in 2010.
Looked up the company that signed it off to get them to remedy and theyre not gas safe registered anymore and the limited company is getting liquidated as far as i can tell.
So will the customer get any recompense. Even if they are gas safe then all they have to do is rectify their mistakes and tgey get left alone. Surely they should have a fine or some other disincentive from shoddy and/or dangerous work. Otherwise they can go round doing good knows what and only having to rectify it when they get caught.
Customer, is rightly, pretty disillusioned with the system. He doesnt seem to be protected at all and will just have to pay out to remedy himself i imagine . He bought the house 3 years ago with the install in already .
Hob on flexi as ever. The run to this point was clipped about 3 metres away and then had been plastered into the corner of the room
I dug it out to verify the it was soldered not compression, clipped the pipe and fitted a fixed connection with iso into the tiny space behind the oven.
Had another last week where the gas was run in 15mm almost straight from the boiler for an equivalent of about 20 metres as it went along the floor and then up the wall and over and down. Baxi solo 3 60pfl. Was 11 mbar at gas valve, 13 with adjustment. Had been given a safety certificate in january when vendor bought the place..... Reran straight in 22.
Found this beauty today. Services boiler, oh prv not connected..... Oh flue turret not fixed properly..... Go outside and she says the window fitter did that and said it was ok? Just needed a service?
Oh and two of mutleys "do they need a trim" specials
Few peachers there ermi, the bottom one with the 2 flues thats just priceless
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It is currently in use and BG are happy with it
I say its in use, it is now me and a friend found the dodgy connection to the bedroom socket that was stopping it from firing successfully :thinking:
I say its in use, it is now me and a friend found the dodgy connection to the bedroom socket that was stopping it from firing successfully :thinking:
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That's practically perfect no flexi in sight
Bent with a spring ooh baby
Bent with a spring ooh baby
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Ok, last one then i'll let someone else get a word in
I have posted this on another thread so you may have seen it before
I have posted this on another thread so you may have seen it before
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flash git !! showing off your new drilOk, last one then i'll let someone else get a word in
I have posted this on another thread so you may have seen it before
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second set of batteries and my ocd forces me to put the guard back on every time
it's elder sister, a little 14.4v gets treat the same
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yes - emergency move into a bit of a run down place but get cheap rent as I will put up with and fix issues to make it safe(r)
that boiler is still in my place - I know not to tackle something like that
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Somewhere in the Hall of Fame, sorry Hall of Shame is a photo I posted showing 2 flexi on a cistern inlet.
Thanks, I didn`t have a clue what I was looking at, could of been hot n cold to 5 bathrooms for all I knew lol
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Just a two up two down small terrace with badly installed plastic manifold heating.
Those kinked pipes were operating as a bypass so thats 3 bypasses, each stealing heat from the furthest rads. Pure muppet who Installed this.
P.s it was the same property as the heatline with the downwards flue [emoji38]
Still its a nice job for me repiping the lot in copper[emoji374] [emoji373]
Those kinked pipes were operating as a bypass so thats 3 bypasses, each stealing heat from the furthest rads. Pure muppet who Installed this.
P.s it was the same property as the heatline with the downwards flue [emoji38]
Still its a nice job for me repiping the lot in copper[emoji374] [emoji373]
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Like Kay says those short bypass links will steal the head available for the index circuit, be impossible to balance, just need cap ends, whoever did it is Muppet and not got a clue, got the brain of a cod!
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its an abomination! and all this is just the fitting, as more boards were lifted it became apparent he had notched the bejesus out of the joists.
i think he must have won the job on price, its hard to imagine that he came with a reccomendation :24:
i think he must have won the job on price, its hard to imagine that he came with a reccomendation :24:
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They just don't gives a monkeys do they happy! Shaft the customer take the cash and off faster than Road Runner :leaving:
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Ermintrude
Who needs that valve with the yellow handle......not this installer!
Love the push fit was gas all compression?
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