How to solder vertical joints

[Staffy85]

haha knew this was going to be american! Sodder , do you think if "solder" was written out for them they would still say sodder?, like what part of the L dont they get?!

 

[Deleted member 25704]

An English demo of end-feed soldering whilst on the job:

https://www.facebook.com/cityplymplumbing/posts/535464623276294

 

[Stigster]

Applying the solder at the back is a good sign. He did that joint perfectly. No fuss, no waving the torch about, a nice quick application of solder at the right point. Note how he made the whole video in the time the American guy took to just heat the pipe!

 

[gmartine]

What do you guys use as a guide to say you've used enough sodder per joint...when you visibly see that the solder has capillary'd around the whole fitting or amount of solder? I tried using diameter of fitting as a guide for a while but found it was too much...15mm of solder for a 15mm fitting etc.

 

[JCSPLUMBING]

I always do vertical soldering from round the back then you can see it ring around the front

 

[JCSPLUMBING]

What do you guys use as a guide to say you've used enough sodder per joint...when you visibly see that the solder has capillary'd around the whole fitting or amount of solder? I tried using diameter of fitting as a guide for a while but found it was too much...15mm of solder for a 15mm fitting etc.

I don't have a guide. If you have 5-6 joints to solder at once then how would you measure that? Just do it by feel and eye.

 

[gmartine]

You could put kinks in the solder, each kink approximate to the length/amount you want to use.

 

[JCSPLUMBING]

You could put kinks in the solder, each kink approximate to the length/amount you want to use.

Lol! Your joking right? Why would there be a need to. Use your eyes. When you have a silver ring it's done. I get a feeling your not a plumber pal

 

[AlexGas]

Here's his Part 1 video.
This dude is full of flux!!! It's just painful!!!

[video=youtube;tUaHQwCK_ls]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUaHQwCK_ls[/video]

 

[Best]

He doesn't get any better! He still is "Sod ering"
What a long time to solder two joints of a 22mm tee! And it is a mess.
The idiot didn't solder the branch because it is vertical - and he has the cheek to say it risks a bad joint!
Funny bit is he called an " instruction video " ! :smile: Silly Soder.
In my opinion he should also have moved the flame around a little - especially as he had plenty of room. Using the flame hard on one spot of the fitting risks a hot spot not soldering as flux burns away & not even heat.

 

[jaydebruyne]

An English demo of end-feed soldering whilst on the job:

https://www.facebook.com/cityplymplumbing/posts/535464623276294

I'm not ashamed to admit this, but I've never seen soldering done like this - I was taught to run the solder all around the joint and use about a diameter worth of solder.

I know I'm not great at soldering, I think there is a skill to getting it right .. goddamn it his joints look amazing! So after you've heated the pipe you just hold the solder in one spot and let science )capillary action) do its thing? I'm DEFO gonna try that!!!

As for the yank - blow me even my joints don't have bogies like that!! Biggest greenies I've EVER seen in m'life!

 

[Best]

I'm not ashamed to admit this, but I've never seen soldering done like this - I was taught to run the solder all around the joint and use about a diameter worth of solder.

I know I'm not great at soldering, I think there is a skill to getting it right .. goddamn it his joints look amazing! So after you've heated the pipe you just hold the solder in one spot and let science )capillary action) do its thing? I'm DEFO gonna try that!!!

As for the yank - blow me even my joints don't have bogies like that!! Biggest greenies I've EVER seen in m'life!

Remember that capillary action will take place no problem if heat is enough all around the fitting and flux is there. While solder can stay liquid it will go all around the inside of joint.
I still believe in doing minimum of each side of a fitting or whole way around it, just to be sure.
I prefer to use a rag to wipe the joints on leaded solder, but with unleaded it is harder to do & I try to be careful just getting it spot on first time. On Yorksire fittings you are really just supposed to gently heat them until a neat ring of solder appears. Guess most of us add a bit of solder. Habits are hard to break.

 

[jaydebruyne]

Remember that capillary action will take place no problem if heat is enough all around the fitting and flux is there. While solder can stay liquid it will go all around the inside of joint.
I still believe in doing minimum of each side of a fitting or whole way around it, just to be sure.
I prefer to use a rag to wipe the joints on leaded solder, but with unleaded it is harder to do & I try to be careful just getting it spot on first time. On Yorksire fittings you are really just supposed to gently heat them until a neat ring of solder appears. Guess most of us add a bit of solder. Habits are hard to break.

Do you/anyone brush a bit of flux around the fitting once you've applied the solder? The guy I shadowed does it and his joints are always neat and leak free - but when I tried it a couple times I think I end up making holes in the solder and then have to redo it :/

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Do you/anyone brush a bit of flux around the fitting once you've applied the solder? The guy I shadowed does it and his joints are always neat and leak free - but when I tried it a couple times I think I end up making holes in the solder and then have to redo it :/

normally about 10-15 secs after soldering saves wire wooling it after-wards

 

[jaydebruyne]

normally about 10-15 secs after soldering saves wire wooling it after-wards

Ahh, I think I've been doing it too soon then, soon as I've put the solder on I turn off my torch and brush the flux over it..

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Ahh, I think I've been doing it too soon then, soon as I've put the solder on I turn off my torch and brush the flux over it..

you should see the solder turn dull then wipe/add a tiny bit off the brush and then whipe the whole joint with a damp rag/cloth and done

 

[Best]

I wouldn't cool the fitting with flux or water just after it is soldered. Might weaken the joint. Brushing some flux over it and then giving the whole fitting a short blast of heat again to melt the solder leaves it guaranteed to be sound again if left alone to reharden

 

[ShaunCorbs]

I wouldn't cool the fitting with flux or water just after it is soldered. Might weaken the joint. Brushing some flux over it and then giving the whole fitting a short blast of heat again to melt the solder leaves it guaranteed to be sound again if left alone to reharden

the solder will tell you when its cool/ ready to be wiped it will turn dull which is the solder cooling off and hardening

 

[JCSPLUMBING]

Best. You are old school as I am. These newbies get a angle finder out to bend pipe. Then wonder why there not earning any money

 

[JCSPLUMBING]

I wouldn't cool the fitting with flux or water just after it is soldered. Might weaken the joint. Brushing some flux over it and then giving the whole fitting a short blast of heat again to melt the solder leaves it guaranteed to be sound again if left alone to reharden

Just leave it alone for a few mins and wipe it later. I know when it's soldered right and always confident of the joint. It's the odd compression fitting that worries me more.