should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for money?

[fuzzy]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

it was never confusing when we had a straight forward C&G certificate and advanced certficate. the only way you could get in college was to be sent there by an employer. when that was the case there was no need to have another system. it proves to me theres a problem if we need to look at a 'second tier' to justify competence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[jase158]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

Maybe i was too hasty in the "qualified" part, but CIPHE already do 2 checks before membership is awarded for certain memberships, maybe a system where this is law, meaning that every plumber is using British standard parts and so cowboys can not use cheaper none tested materials. So basically anybody can become a plumber after going some sort of assessment through a body, where they ask you questions which would not be known except from somebody who is well experienced or gone through thorough training. These checks would be 2 on start up and 2 every year. but what i hear about gas safe, they dont always check plumbers every year.

and to the comments from Bernie2, no i am not looking to close the industry for myself but simply wanting to be trusted to do a job well. why should i, as a genuine plumber be treated like a cowboy. And why should i make a small amount of money after i have been down the route of doing my training for 3 years. I have got the qualifications and i should be rewarded for it.

Hi fuzzy,Thank you for your comments i did the training through a training centre and i have not signed up to an all in one cost, i pay as i go, stopping me from being in debt and getting the training in steps. the ACS is not part of the NVQ3 it is seperate i dont know if you have done it or not but as far as i am aware it is seperate.

 

[fuzzy]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

hi mate, no worries. the ACS is part of the plumbing 6089 NVQ3 mate, you cannot pass your NVQ3 without it unless you sign a disclamier, you shouldnt let the centre encourage you to do this as it should be built in.

 

[REDSAW]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

so how do they police taxi drivers then?. they wear a badge so the custard knows there legit.

it cant be that impossible,

 

[fuzzy]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

and what if someone wants a cheap job and ignore the missing badge? how do we police it? who catches em?

 

[ecowarm]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

hi mate, no worries. the ACS is part of the plumbing 6089 NVQ3 mate, you cannot pass your NVQ3 without it unless you sign a disclamier, you shouldnt let the centre encourage you to do this as it should be built in.

At my local college the students get a choice for Nvq 3 ACS, Oftec or a renewable course (solar. Unvented and Hetas)

 

[jase158]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

hi mate, no worries. the ACS is part of the plumbing 6089 NVQ3 mate, you cannot pass your NVQ3 without it unless you sign a disclamier, you shouldnt let the centre encourage you to do this as it should be built in.

Nothing to do with the training centre, i researched this, the NVQ3 is definetly seperate to the ACS i do not know where you got that it is the same but it is definetly not the same thing, The NVQ includes the Unvented and a basic introduction to gas but the ACS is definetly different,

[DLMURL="http://www.wnc.ac.uk/Courses/Advanced-Apprenticeship-Plumbing-NVQ-3"]Advanced Apprenticeship Plumbing NVQ 3 - West Nottinghamshire College[/DLMURL]

some places require you to have passed your acs accreditation before you can get your NVQ3 but these are the cons, trust me i have spent weeks researching this.

[DLMURL="http://www.cityandguilds.com/46339.html?s=1"]NVQ in Mechanical Engineering Services - Plumbing (Domestic) | Construction and Building | Plumbing | City & Guilds[/DLMURL]

 

[plumbster3456]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

and what if someone wants a cheap job and ignore the missing badge? how do we police it? who catches em?

ok so the taxi business is nearly 100% licensed taxi drivers there are very few who are not licensed.
how can they police this and not plumbing industry?
It would not be an offence on customers part but one on the fitters part this is how it should be done

 

[fuzzy]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

Nothing to do with the training centre, i researched this, the NVQ3 is definetly seperate to the ACS i do not know where you got that it is the same but it is definetly not the same thing, The NVQ includes the Unvented and a basic introduction to gas but the ACS is definetly different,

[DLMURL="http://www.wnc.ac.uk/Courses/Advanced-Apprenticeship-Plumbing-NVQ-3"]Advanced Apprenticeship Plumbing NVQ 3 - West Nottinghamshire College[/DLMURL]

some places require you to have passed your acs accreditation before you can get your NVQ3 but these are the cons, trust me i have spent weeks researching this.

[DLMURL="http://www.cityandguilds.com/46339.html?s=1"]NVQ in Mechanical Engineering Services - Plumbing (Domestic) | Construction and Building | Plumbing | City & Guilds[/DLMURL]

sorry mate, the acs is 100% part of the nvq3 if you choose the gas option, it can be bypassed but why would you want to do that? check the front of the nvq 3 file

 

[fuzzy]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

you can pull a taxi over and check em out, how would that work for plumbing? The plumbing police patrolling the streets checking on blokes walking inot house with a blow torch!

 

[tamz]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

I think the numerous plumbing bodies out there could do more to highlight the dangerous of using cowboy plumbers by the use of adverts in magazines etc.

In Scotland and Northern Ireland this body SNIPEF Home - Scottish and Northern Ireland Plumbing Employers Federation (as have the other bodies in England and Wales), have been lobbying government for years to try to get some kind of compulsory licencing scheme.
They are not interested although the Scottish government are listening a bit. We'll see.

At the moment they do run a licencing scheme and it does impress some people and open some doors if you are licenced.

 

[jase158]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

There is the hackney carriage they give people the licences, then you as an employer have to ensure that you have all the paperwork for each employee, including driving license, tax, mot, insurance and a valid hackney license which i believe gets renewed every year or two. also the taxi company must write down every single job taken, if any of these are missing then there is a £1000 fine per item missing. So put simply the employer is held responsible.

 

[Puddle]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

You just have your iris scanned with the customers mobile phone which has a app to connect and check it at the national plumbing and vicuallers data base

 

[fuzzy]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

so i need a taxi now?

 

[bcp]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

NO-unless there is access to training/courses for anyone regardless of age or funds. The closed shop scenario or exclusions because of.....is unacceptable. Oh and get ready to pay huge fees to the governing body.

 

[jase158]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

are we talikng about the same NVQ here, i am talking about the 6089 level 3

 

[tamz]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

I dont have an NVQ!

 

[fuzzy]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

[DLMURL]http://www.cityandguilds.com/documents/ind_construction_plumbing/6089_Candidate_workplace_evidence_record_(Level_3).pdf[/DLMURL]

page 10 mate

 

[fuzzy]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

are we talikng about the same NVQ here, i am talking about the 6089 level 3

the 6089 level 3 is the nvq???

 

[fuzzy]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

[DLMURL]http://www.cityandguilds.com/documents/ind_construction_plumbing/6089_Scheme-Handbook.pdf[/DLMURL]

and this one page 20, probably explains it better, this ok now?