should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for money?

[plumbster3456]

would this sort out some of the very bad plumbing I have had to fix over the years?
what do people think i appreciate there are a lot of guys out there working as plumbers who dont have quals and are probably better than some with quals but generally what do people have to say on this.

 

[Plamber]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

good idea, but policing it would be the hard part.

 

[ecowarm]

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lots of countries you have to be licenced to work on plumbing....... I believe US, Canada and Australia

 

[plumbster3456]

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lots of countries you have to be licenced to work on plumbing....... I believe US, Canada and Australia

yes I know that is true and also even if qualified in new zealand you have to apply to there plumbing board every year to be a registered plumber.
I bet the standard of work in these countries will be miles ahead of over here (not counting our own guys who do the job correct)
I am not joking here I recently got sent to a job that the cowboy plumber done an outside tap off of the hot pipe and when customer complained he told her to turn her combi boiler off if using the outside tap and the water would be cold 🙂
This is the type of example I am talking about lol

 

[fuzzy]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

would this sort out some of the very bad plumbing I have had to fix over the years?
what do people think i appreciate there are a lot of guys out there working as plumbers who dont have quals and are probably better than some with quals but generally what do people have to say on this.

if they didnt hand out quals to full timers there would be no need

 

[ecowarm]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

The standard of work and the rate of pay!

 

[plumbster3456]

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and also in these countries especially us plumbers are regarded as highly professional job unlike over here were the rogue traders/ cowboys have tarnished the industry were nearly every one is wary of trades men

 

[fuzzy]

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and also in these countries especially us plumbers are regarded as highly professional job unlike over here were the rogue traders/ cowboys have tarnished the industry were nearly every one is wary of trades men

shame that, how do we overcome it?

 

[mikegas]

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You have to be qualified to do gas work but we still see the pics posted on here an in the mags, the poor work will still be carried out, qualified or not

 

[fuzzy]

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You have to be qualified to do gas work but we still see the pics posted on here an in the mags, the poor work will still be carried out, qualified or not

whats the answe then?

 

[mikegas]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

I dont think there is one, just continue to be paid to repair their work

 

[jase158]

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yes brilliant idea, take it to the prime minister, the amount of jobs i have lost because i am not gas safe registered, yet i have got my NVQ 3 and all my technical certificates. For some reason people believe that being gas safe is the qualification needed to be a plumber. Also people telling me £400 to do a bathroom is expensive, well when the job is of good quality, then it isnt that much to pay compared to the cock ups of cowboys and these cowboys are charging £200 for a bathroom stealing decent plumbers livelihoods. another idea is to make a TV program of how well projects can go instead of all these cowboy programs which scare the public. Another idea is to make CIPHE a legal requirement of doing any plumbing work. People are still saying Corgi a year after Gas safe took over so it will take a while what ever the change unless it is publicly announced. Why should some bloke steal our work when he has no qualifications yet we have been to college for 3 years and having to price ourselves the same as somebody who doesnt even know what an air admittance valve is. You wouldnt trust a none qualified doctor so why trust a none qualified plumber

 

[plumbster3456]

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yes brilliant idea, take it to the prime minister, the amount of jobs i have lost because i am not gas safe registered, yet i have got my NVQ 3 and all my technical certificates. For some reason people believe that being gas safe is the qualification needed to be a plumber. Also people telling me £400 to do a bathroom is expensive, well when the job is of good quality, then it isnt that much to pay compared to the cock ups of cowboys and these cowboys are charging £200 for a bathroom stealing decent plumbers livelihoods. another idea is to make a TV program of how well projects can go instead of all these cowboy programs which scare the public. Another idea is to make CIPHE a legal requirement of doing any plumbing work. People are still saying Corgi a year after Gas safe took over so it will take a while what ever the change unless it is publicly announced. Why should some bloke steal our work when he has no qualifications yet we have been to college for 3 years and having to price ourselves the same as somebody who doesnt even know what an air admittance valve is. You wouldnt trust a none qualified doctor so why trust a none qualified plumber

well said on all points this would be a start

 

[fuzzy]

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yes brilliant idea, take it to the prime minister, the amount of jobs i have lost because i am not gas safe registered, yet i have got my NVQ 3 and all my technical certificates. For some reason people believe that being gas safe is the qualification needed to be a plumber. Also people telling me £400 to do a bathroom is expensive, well when the job is of good quality, then it isnt that much to pay compared to the cock ups of cowboys and these cowboys are charging £200 for a bathroom stealing decent plumbers livelihoods. another idea is to make a TV program of how well projects can go instead of all these cowboy programs which scare the public. Another idea is to make CIPHE a legal requirement of doing any plumbing work. People are still saying Corgi a year after Gas safe took over so it will take a while what ever the change unless it is publicly announced. Why should some bloke steal our work when he has no qualifications yet we have been to college for 3 years and having to price ourselves the same as somebody who doesnt even know what an air admittance valve is. You wouldnt trust a none qualified doctor so why trust a none qualified plumber

did you not get your acs with your nvq3?

think your right but we struggle to police the gas never mind the wet side! i dont see how it could work out

 

[plumbster3456]

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also the answer is make it a legal requirement to be a qualified plumber before you are allowed to start a self employed plumbing business.
you are not allowed to start a self employed gas business then run around doing gas jobs so this could be the way.
I no gas is more dangerous but dodgy plumbing can be highly unhygienic and hazardous to peoples health in certain circumstances.
I think the numerous plumbing bodies out there could do more to highlight the dangerous of using cowboy plumbers by the use of adverts in magazines etc.
Then as jase said people would not be getting undercut by the unqualified as much (maybe)

also gas safe registration in no way makes someone a plumber it takes years to learn plumbing some people who are gas safe do nothing but gas servicing etc as that is what they were taught to do in there apprenticeships with the likes of British gas

 

[fuzzy]

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also the answer is make it a legal requirement to be a qualified plumber before you are allowed to start a self employed plumbing business.

think thats a great idea

 

[Bernie2]

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Hmm!

Are you really looking to improve Plumbing in this country or create a closed market for yourself where you are free to charge whatever you like because nobody else is allowed to do the work?

If that is the case no UK government whose philosophy is based on free trade is hardly likely to allow that.

You could of course make licence access open to all and training free, that would be fair to all. But then same as now, how would you sort the good workers from the bad without policing it?

Lets not forget, as one inspector on this website said "We have loads of problems with registered people's work"

Then if you do police it, why bother with qualification the police should catch the bad workers?

No, in the end it comes down to personal integrity.

 

[oldplumber]

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if only a strong willed government would ban the sale of gas related items to the genral public first, then extend that to things such as unvented cylinders etc would things improve. Only problem is no government has the guts to take on huge shareholder owned companies such as kingfisher who own b& Q and surprisingly screwfix (who already restrict sales to the trades!! on gas items), and are ultimately own by large pension companies, city institutions etc who have more of a say than smaller people such as ourselves, which goes to prove that corgi/gas safe are only there to contol the tradesmen and not the public as we have such a small voice. Prehaps we should refuse to repair all sanitary items, wcs drains etc for a while, then all those with straining asses and buldging eyes might start to listen more to our opinion. Lovely thoughtr but unlikely to happen soon.

 

[plumbster3456]

Re: should government make it law to be qualified plumber to do plumbing work for mon

Hmm!

Are you really looking to improve Plumbing in this country or create a closed market for yourself where you are free to charge whatever you like because nobody else is allowed to do the work?

If that is the case no UK government whose philosophy is based on free trade is hardly likely to allow that.

You could of course make licence access open to all and training free, that would be fair to all. But then same as now, how would you sort the good workers from the bad without policing it?

Lets not forget, as one inspector on this website said "We have loads of problems with registered people's work"

Then if you do police it, why bother with qualification the police should catch the bad workers?

No, in the end it comes down to personal integrity.

ok bernie if someone does a 12 week gas course does this make them a plumber

I am just saying in general would this help to stop the dodgy work that we see.
and yes I do think we should get paid more that joe bloggs on the street that is because we had to do 4 years and some of the older ones would have done 5 years apprenticeships and should be getting paid more than the local handyman

old plumber is right it is the people with the cash who have the final say but they would not lose any money as d.i.y. ers would not be stopped doing work in there own home so b & q can still sell to who they want but it could be made illegal to do plumbing for money

 

[CES]

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Defining "Qualified" in the Heating & Plumbing industry first would be a good start IMHO. I'm not a "qualified" plumber in that i didn't do a 4 year apprenticeship. I don't class myself as a plumber due to this. I'm a time served marine engineer,obtaining an HND in Engineering during my apprenticeship, I spent years being a "Jack of all trades, master of none" offshore,
I'm now a self employed heating engineer, working on my own for my own company. I'm Gas Safe registered with Domestic and Commercial ACS, a member of CIPHE through who I achieved an Eng Tech registration. For some to suggest that I should not be allowed to trade because I'm not "qualified" is questionable, purely in the sense that being "qualified" does not make you a good tradesman. I understand the need to cut out the rogues and cowboys and I support this, but to make laws preventing people starting up companies will not solve the problem. Bad plumbing companies will always be Bad no matter how "qualified" they are, because of this they will eventually cease trading. Whereas good decent tradesmen will survive as long as they produce the quality work.
I think maybe another policing system should be considered. Just my two cents worth btw.

 

[fuzzy]

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it was never confusing when we had a straight forward C&G certificate and advanced certficate. the only way you could get in college was to be sent there by an employer. when that was the case there was no need to have another system. it proves to me theres a problem if we need to look at a 'second tier' to justify competence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[jase158]

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Maybe i was too hasty in the "qualified" part, but CIPHE already do 2 checks before membership is awarded for certain memberships, maybe a system where this is law, meaning that every plumber is using British standard parts and so cowboys can not use cheaper none tested materials. So basically anybody can become a plumber after going some sort of assessment through a body, where they ask you questions which would not be known except from somebody who is well experienced or gone through thorough training. These checks would be 2 on start up and 2 every year. but what i hear about gas safe, they dont always check plumbers every year.

and to the comments from Bernie2, no i am not looking to close the industry for myself but simply wanting to be trusted to do a job well. why should i, as a genuine plumber be treated like a cowboy. And why should i make a small amount of money after i have been down the route of doing my training for 3 years. I have got the qualifications and i should be rewarded for it.

Hi fuzzy,Thank you for your comments i did the training through a training centre and i have not signed up to an all in one cost, i pay as i go, stopping me from being in debt and getting the training in steps. the ACS is not part of the NVQ3 it is seperate i dont know if you have done it or not but as far as i am aware it is seperate.

 

[fuzzy]

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hi mate, no worries. the ACS is part of the plumbing 6089 NVQ3 mate, you cannot pass your NVQ3 without it unless you sign a disclamier, you shouldnt let the centre encourage you to do this as it should be built in.

 

[REDSAW]

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so how do they police taxi drivers then?. they wear a badge so the custard knows there legit.

it cant be that impossible,

 

[fuzzy]

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and what if someone wants a cheap job and ignore the missing badge? how do we police it? who catches em?