Cooker lid

[Doodlebug]

I spoke to gas safe on this. It is not to manufacturers design or specification so it is AR

What's AR? If you mean the lid not shutting the gas off, then no it's ID, if you mean it's lid has been removed then why is it AR?


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[Millsy 82]

If the lid is still on and the safety does not shut off it is ID if the lid has been removed then it is not to manufacturers instructions so it is AR.

 

[REDSAW]

so what would you class a cooker with no oven door? incomplete gas appliance?

 

[Doodlebug]

so what would you class a cooker with no oven door? incomplete gas appliance?

What would you class a cooker with no door seals?


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[AWheating]

you are altering the design of the appliance by removing any part of it. would you not have to gain manufactures permission to do this?

 

[mountainman]

so what would you class a cooker with no oven door? incomplete gas appliance?

I'd call it a flueless DFE space heater lol

 

[Doodlebug]

you are altering the design of the appliance by removing any part of it. would you not have to gain manufactures permission to do this?

That's exactly what I would do, and if they said it was ok to remove lid, I would request it in writing.


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[mountainman]

That's exactly what I would do, and if they said it was ok to remove lid, I would request it in writing.


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So, what would you do with the appliance whilst you are awaiting the arrival of the manufacturers permission?

 

[Doodlebug]

So, what would you do with the appliance whilst you are awaiting the arrival of the manufacturers permission?

If its beyond repair, ie: unable to repair shut off valve or replace because part obsolete, then I would follow the unsafe situations procedure and disconnect the cooker from the gas supply. If the customer refused disconnection, I would leave connected, report to Transco and get a job number which would then cover me. You have to look after yourself in this job. Remember, your the last man on the job. If there was an incident and you ended up in a court of law, your defence would be what? Sorry m'lord, I didn't think anyone would put the lid back on.


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[mountainman]

What if you made sure that the lid couldn't be refitted, ie cut off the hinges as per an earlier post?

Are we qualified, experienced, professional engineers who are capable and qualified to make judgement calls and decisions.

Or are we just trained fearful monkeys following the letter of the constantly changing manual??

 

[Doodlebug]

What if you made sure that the lid couldn't be refitted, ie cut off the hinges as per an earlier post?

Are we qualified, experienced, professional engineers who are capable and qualified to make judgement calls and decisions.

Or are we just trained fearful monkeys following the letter of the constantly changing manual??

I think it's down to the manufacture to decide if you can take a hacksaw to their appliances and start removing or disabling a safety valve. I personally don't see a problem in removing the lid but is it acceptable?


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[mountainman]

Who said anything about removing or disabling a safety valve?

I would make a decision based on my expertise, training and experience and stand fully by my decision.

Namby pamby 'I've got to refer this to my supervisor, manufacturer or whoever' is de-valueing our trade and reducing some of us to trembling 'part swappers'

I am a professional gas engineer and will stand up and be counted as a professional, if I wanted a quiet unchallenging life I would be working in a safe non-technical trade such as chippie, spread or spark.

 

[Barry98]

Spark lmao I feel another bout coming on

 

[wards]

okay so you remove the lid which in turn disables the safety device.the safety device is there to prevent the lid from being closed.no lid no problem,you then re install the lid therefore enabling the safety device to function.whats the issue or am i missing something.

 

[Doodlebug]

okay so you remove the lid which in turn disables the safety device.the safety device is there to prevent the lid from being closed.no lid no problem,you then re install the lid therefore enabling the safety device to function.whats the issue or am i missing something.

The safety valve doesn't work.



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[Doodlebug]

Who said anything about removing or disabling a safety valve?

I would make a decision based on my expertise, training and experience and stand fully by my decision.

Namby pamby 'I've got to refer this to my supervisor, manufacturer or whoever' is de-valueing our trade and reducing some of us to trembling 'part swappers'

I am a professional gas engineer and will stand up and be counted as a professional, if I wanted a quiet unchallenging life I would be working in a safe non-technical trade such as chippie, spread or spark.

Good answer mate. Where on here do you click on like? Do you have to go into web view first?


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[wards]

why would you worry about a valve that does not control anything?its not being deactivated and would still work if the lid was replaced?

 

[Doodlebug]

why would you worry about a valve that does not control anything?its not being deactivated and would still work if the lid was replaced?

It controls the flow of gas to the cooker rings and It's not working, in other words when the lid is closed it's not shutting the gas off, so if you remove the lid then you have removed the risk but if someone puts the lid back on then the risk is there once more. Get it? Lol

 

[Millsy 82]

I have removed a couple of lids in the past couple of years filled out the paper work got it signed if the customer wants to reinstall the lid it is totally up to them I have a signed form saying that I have AR the cooker its their problem then.

 

[AWheating]

its easy to say just go ahead and do it, but you need to be able to protect yourself legally from lossing your job or registration or even stand up in a court.

The customer wont protect you, the next engineer that enters the property may report you for removing/altering safe or not. What actions will gas safe/the hse take?

you could say stick to the rules and keep your income?