Europe

[dave1]

After reading the whole of that post by Toxic Ted, I feel I understand a bit more. It's explained tons of reasons for leaving it and none for staying in, understandable as Grove wants out.
I'm going with out for now unless someone else can convince me otherwise.

 

[KingDoey]

I am all for leaving europe. Alas i think the referendum is all just an illusion for joe public. If the government wants to stay in, then we will stay in regardless of what we actually want

 

[SimonG]

I've been told if we leave the price of a decent bottle of red will go sky high!!

Thats a vote for out then, I don't drink the stuff 🙂

 

[Toxic Ted]

Nobody could give a really accurate account for the pro's and the cons because so much would change in an uncertain way, but i think we have to make a decision to make our own way and be accountable for our actions. We are in a position where we have the opportunity to be our own boss again (not unlike starting out in business on our own again) and learn from failures and move on. I'm damned sure it won't be a smooth ride, but we need to take control and steer our own boat.

 

[tamz]

I am all for leaving europe. Alas i think the referendum is all just an illusion for joe public. If the government wants to stay in, then we will stay in regardless of what we actually want

Being ever pessimistic i've said that all along

 

[tamz]

We managed to run the most powerful economy and greatest trading nation in the world in the past without any help from europe.
I'm quite sure we could easily manage to get by.

 

[Toxic Ted]

I have no doubt that they (europe) will make things difficult for us to teach us a lesson if we do manage to escape.

 

[lame plumber]

out at the earliest opportunity, close the borders, go for free market trading, support industries that need help, eject those immigrants that dont like obeying our laws, bin the eu laws that screw up our country, use the money saved to reorganise the health service, armed forces etc, let all our meps reapply for uk citizenship and then refuse them entry 🙂 if scotland wants to stay in the eu, let them pay their own way, looks like I should be voting UKIP??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Ray Stafford]

I have no doubt that they (europe) will make things difficult for us to teach us a lesson if we do manage to escape.

There may be rhetoric, but they will still want to sell us red wine, and buy scotch.

In any event, staying in for that reason is akin to giving your lunch money to big boys to stop them beating you up!

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

out

 

[KingDoey]

Hi tamz i see you are from scotland. Out of interest are you glad scotland stayed part of the uk? Or would you have wanted to leave?

 

[tamz]

I have no doubt that they (europe) will make things difficult for us to teach us a lesson if we do manage to escape.

As they made things difficult for Greece for daring to stand up to them.
The Greeks had the chance to give them it up the **** but blew it instead.

 

[tamz]

Hi tamz i see you are from scotland. Out of interest are you glad scotland stayed part of the uk? Or would you have wanted to leave?

I voted out for a variety of reasons but don't agree with their (the nats) current stance re europe so they can **** off

 

[KingDoey]

See i think that referendum was an example of the government doing what it wants. it seemed at the time that every scot was voting out but apparantly more of you voted to stay. The whole thing seemed suspect to me...

 

[rpm]

Hi tamz i see you are from scotland. Out of interest are you glad scotland stayed part of the uk? Or would you have wanted to leave?

If we vote to leave and Scotland wants to stay in then according to Alex Salmond this weekend that is grounds for another Scottish Independence vote.

 

[tamz]

The rest of the uk should look at some of the things that went on during that referendum and learn from it as it is coming to you. The power of the establishment 😉

 

[tamz]

If we vote to leave and Scotland wants to stay in then according to Alex Salmond this weekend that is grounds for another Scottish Independence vote.

He's a pri ck. Why would any nation want to leave our kin and get hooked up with the euros?
Makes as much sense to me as leaving the wife for an 18 year old lol

 

[Best]

Politicians are very cunning and will no doubt word it to us it that it is a Yes vote to remain in an improving situation or a No vote to go into the unknown. Yet the vote will not and could not state political viewpoints.
They did the same over here with the good Friday agreement. They called it a "Peace Agreement" which was very clever as to vote no would infer you were against peace. But when it came to the voting the wording was not peace agreement.
It's all bluff

 

[lame plumber]

why would anyone vote to stay in a situation were those in charge move house every few weeks, if they cant decide to have their parliment in one place what hope is there for them getting anything done sensibly

 

[tamz]

Politicians are very cunning and will no doubt word it to us it that it is a Yes vote to remain in an improving situation or a No vote to go into the unknown. Yet the vote will not and could not state political viewpoints.
They did the same over here with the good Friday agreement. They called it a "Peace Agreement" which was very clever as to vote no would infer you were against peace. But when it came to the voting the wording was not peace agreement.
It's all bluff

It started as soon as he walked out the door on friday night.....we are apparently "safer" in europe lol