fully qualified plumber in two weeks.

[jase158]

how many of you, (who got an apprenticeship and learnt over 4 years) take on apprentices?

 

[GQuigley67]

ive just started up but i will take on an apprentice cheap labour to be honest and you can teach him the way you work and to your standards

 

[jase158]

and pay his fees. And get insurance? And make sure you have all the safety gear for him?

 

[GQuigley67]

SNIPEF pays alot towards the training, and yes as it would be my duty like any employer who must supply ppe

note snipef is in scotland, dont know whos the equivelent in england

 

[jase158]

how about if they were over 25 and you had to pay for all the fees

 

[GQuigley67]

then no that is why i'd go for a 16 year old apprentice get most payed for via a grant...sadly the fast track thing doesnt look too good on a CV and that is why you'll struggle to get a start, its hard enough for qualified guys to get a job been in the game 20 year

 

[tamz]

Sorry Fuzzy, was watching a bit telly there.

The boiler is rated at 60000btu so you convert it to kw by dividing by 3414 = 17.58kw
As it is an old boiler, unless it states the output is net on the data plate, assume it is gross so divide 17.58 by 1.1 = 15.98 rounded up is 16kw.

If the cupboard (compartment) is vented direct from outside you base you vent sizes on the FULL input of the boiler
Vent sizes would be 16 x 5cm = 80cm² at high level and 16 x 10cm = 160cm² at low level

If however the compartment is vented to the kitchen and then to outside you need to calculate the compartment vent based on overall input which would be 16 x 10cm = 160cm² for high level and 16 x 20cm = 320cm² for low level.
You then need to calculate the combustion air requirement from outside so deduct 7kw from the 16kw for adventitious air = 9kw x 5cm = 45cm² needed

Easy innit. Try to remember that one as you will need it.

 

[Guest123]

I agree with Fuzzy. 10 weeks or 50 days training in this industry is a joke. A real apprenticeship is for 4 years and only in year 2 (or when your considered capable enough) can you actually do work.
There are too many of these fast track plumbers that have little practical on the job experience and they are taking away work from the rest of us who slogged our guts out for years to reach the standard we have now. No sympathy on the lack of your progress on the job front either. There's too many of you now and not enough work to go round so that's why you can't get a job. I for one will only take on a school leaver and give him a proper apprenticeship so that he has the correct training on and off the job.
Fast track? Says it all really.

 

[jase158]

Exactly this is what i am saying, Fast track is there to help people who went off the rails at 16, or were unable to do well in life. To turn their life around, Should we turn our backs on people because they did not decide what they wanted to do by the age of 16.

This goes a lot deeper then just this subject, the benefit system is the main problem, should you go to college when on benefits, you do not qualify for benefits as you are not looking for work. The system does not let people better them selves.

If they stopped paying alcaholics and druggies incapacity benefit, and put this money into helping train people then we would all be better off.

I understand that people have done 4 years to become fully qualified, But if plumbers will not take anybody over the age of 19 because of training fees, what are these people suppose to do?

 

[jase158]

I agree with Fuzzy. 10 weeks or 50 days training in this industry is a joke. A real apprenticeship is for 4 years and only in year 2 (or when your considered capable enough) can you actually do work.
There are too many of these fast track plumbers that have little practical on the job experience and they are taking away work from the rest of us who slogged our guts out for years to reach the standard we have now. No sympathy on the lack of your progress on the job front either. There's too many of you now and not enough work to go round so that's why you can't get a job. I for one will only take on a school leaver and give him a proper apprenticeship so that he has the correct training on and off the job.
Fast track? Says it all really.

So you are saying that i am not worthy of being a plumber?
Even though i learnt at college for 2 years and only did the NVQ fast track? but simply because i am over 19?

 

[REDSAW]

Sorry Fuzzy, was watching a bit telly there.

The boiler is rated at 60000btu so you convert it to kw by dividing by 3414 = 17.58kw
As it is an old boiler, unless it states the output is net on the data plate, assume it is gross so divide 17.58 by 1.1 = 15.98 rounded up is 16kw.

If the cupboard (compartment) is vented direct from outside you base you vent sizes on the FULL input of the boiler
Vent sizes would be 16 x 5cm = 80cm² at high level and 16 x 10cm = 160cm² at low level

If however the compartment is vented to the kitchen and then to outside you need to calculate the compartment vent based on overall input which would be 16 x 10cm = 160cm² for high level and 16 x 20cm = 320cm² for low level.
You then need to calculate the combustion air requirement from outside so deduct 7kw from the 16kw for adventitious air = 9kw x 5cm = 45cm² needed

Easy innit. Try to remember that one as you will need it.

wrong.lol.

 

[jase158]

I agree with Fuzzy. 10 weeks or 50 days training in this industry is a joke. A real apprenticeship is for 4 years and only in year 2 (or when your considered capable enough) can you actually do work.
There are too many of these fast track plumbers that have little practical on the job experience and they are taking away work from the rest of us who slogged our guts out for years to reach the standard we have now. No sympathy on the lack of your progress on the job front either. There's too many of you now and not enough work to go round so that's why you can't get a job. I for one will only take on a school leaver and give him a proper apprenticeship so that he has the correct training on and off the job.
Fast track? Says it all really.

Don't Know if you read it properly, but Its About 120-130 days in total on the fast track, Where as the college is 144 or so days.

Are you saying that people are only worthy to be a plmber if they start from the bottom up, passing tools, watching how someone else does it, making tea and working your way up?

 

[kirkgas]

Is there anyone who knows how to get some sample questions fpr my acs i have it booked for friday. I am bricking it.

send me a PM with an email address and i will send you some

 

[tamz]

I have taken on and trained 4 apprentices over the years and when the on i have with me now has served his time i will start another one.
I do it because i want to pass the skills on the way it was passed to me and give some youngster the chance i had. He will also be taught the way i want him to learn. It is like a blank canvas.
I don't do it for the cheap labour as they have all been on tradesmans wages before their time was out and it is not for what i get in training grants (through Snipef) because that is laughable. It used to work out at £1 a day with a final bonus given at the end of about £1800 (it was something like that with the last one) when they were qualified.
Split that over 4 years and it is not a lot of financial incentive. It doesn't even pay for his bacon rolls. They are also enrolled in the plumbing pension scheme (which also costs me).
They have all been 16 and one 17. Sure young lads are daft and loose interest sometimes but you just need to know how to handle them. We have all did daft things when we were young. Youngsters generally have little financial responsibility (bottle of wine at the weekend!) so accept lower wages. Treat them right and they will be loyal to you but when the time is right they will move on and do you proud.
I can't see me ever taking an adult trainee. They had their chance and blew it years ago. They now have families and mortgages to pay and loyalty is not part of their road to riches beliefs. As for working for free. Are you having a laugh? Not a cats hope in hell.
There are apprenticeships out there, always has been just not in the numbers you think there should be. The numbers taken on depend on the workload. At the minute things are not great but there are still some who will be taken on in the summer.

 

[kirkgas]

wrong.lol.

the only thing i can see wrong with it is that i use 3412 to convert btu to kw, but it wont change the answer

 

[tamz]

wrong.lol.

So it is😱 Shoulda been 3412😀😀😀

As Kirk said it wouldn't change the answer tho

 

[REDSAW]

So it is😱 Shoulda been 3412😀😀😀

As Kirk said it wouldn't change the answer tho

yes it does!.

there is an element that i am wrong so bare this in mind.

i get 79.211cm2, just as a hint.

 

[tamz]

yes it does!.

there is an element that i am wrong so bare this in mind.

i get 79.211cm2, just as a hint.

You did it the old way?

 

[REDSAW]

i am going to re-read your answer then get me book out to check something...
then probably appologise, give me a mo.


thought so;
i was wrong.lol
thinking balanced flue.

so answer is; as you say or
option b,
44cm2 and 88cm2

 

[tamz]

🙂I'll put the kettle on