i'm missing something

[ambrosia]

the attached photos were from a recently installed room sealed main multipoint,
the flue is in boxing and terminates directly under a fire escape,
the close-up picture because of the underneath angle doesnt show how close it really was 2cm maximum (also hasnt been properly cemented in)

it wasnt too bad on my anton but I still decided it was AR,
however an engineer who came after me said it was okay, apparently he phoned gas safe and discussed it with them and they okayed it

i have no reason to doubt that he did call gas safe but i'm scratching my head as to what mitigating reasons this install could be given all clear

PS sorry all the photos need to be tilted on their side

 

[lame plumber]

not your problem now, as someone else has cleared it so best to walk away. youll not get an answer from gas safe either on this one although you could chat to your local inspector for some advice and his opinion.

 

[Toxic Ted]

We all know GS dont okay something over the phone as we have already heard recently in another thread. It can only be your decision and if his interpretation of the rules differ from yours, then he has a margin of judgement to make it NCS. IHO this is where it all goes to rat sheet.

 

[diamondgas]

My main concern would be the proximity of the 'trickle' vent in the window. If there's a possibility of dangerous fumes entering the building there then I'd AR otherwise all it's going to do is condensate on the underside of the stairs when someone has a shower!! IMHO 🙂

 

[lame plumber]

if the vent is too close then its id not ar imho, fumes kill

 

[diamondgas]

if the vent is too close then its id not ar imho, fumes kill

THis is where I differ lame plumber ... Proof of dangerous fumes ACTUALLY entering the premis would, in my books, be an ID. The potential for this to occur hypothetically, in my books, would make the installation At Risk..! Does that make sense? 🙂

 

[zeebeedee]

THis is where I differ lame plumber ... Proof of dangerous fumes ACTUALLY entering the premis would, in my books, be an ID. The potential for this to occur hypothetically, in my books, would make the installation At Risk..! Does that make sense? 🙂

Id agree with that!

 

[zeebeedee]

Where you on the ale taking them photos or standing on your head.

 

[Nostrum]

Is the Flue in a void with no access hatch and co alarm?

 

[lame plumber]

THis is where I differ lame plumber ... Proof of dangerous fumes ACTUALLY entering the premis would, in my books, be an ID. The potential for this to occur hypothetically, in my books, would make the installation At Risk..! Does that make sense? 🙂

problem being that you might not be there on the day this happens and then who's in the sheite up to their nostrils. looking at this example, to close to vent, in a situation where fumes are restricted fm escaping, similar to car port and flue not sealed in properly all contribute to a higher risk and could easily be considered id when put together.

 

[tamz]

You can only see it as you see it on the day you are there. Tomorrow is another day. ID means an immediate risk to life and limb.
Clearly that is not but the man on the job plays it as he sees it. Along comes gas man 2 and it is no longer your problem however you called it.

 

[Mike Jackson]

There was an article on this a few years ago in the gas installer mag, I think when Corgi still had the reigns. With a flue too close to a window it was either classified ar ID or NCS. If you discovered this situation you had to carry out an ambient air test for 30 minutes with the window open and the appliance running. If no fumes were entering the premises it was classed as NCS. This was before the new qualifications for fume investigation and I remember at the time there being a stink kicked up about it because at the time there was no need to have an analyser so lots of engineers would be unable to carry out the tests.

 

[diamondgas]

problem being that you might not be there on the day this happens and then who's in the sheite up to their nostrils. looking at this example, to close to vent, in a situation where fumes are restricted fm escaping, similar to car port and flue not sealed in properly all contribute to a higher risk and could easily be considered id when put together.

With that approach though you'd be IDing every installation because potentially they can all leak gas or fumes at some time in the future when you're not present! Because something doesn't look quite right doesn't mean it's going to kill someone. However you call it as you want and the custard has to foot the bill!! I'd take into account certain factors before considdering turning off to be honest; how long's it been installed, any signs of distress, fga readings etc.etc.... If in doubt then getting a second opinion, such as here on the forum, can put your mind at rest or allow you to explore the grey area's in a relatively safe environment. We'll never get it right all of the time and erring on the side of caution has never left someone in danger ... IMHO 🙂