MORE problems with Baxi Bermuda 552!!! Help

[holls1234]

We actually authorised for the work to be done on the Thursday after the valve was replaced, as that was when the agent told us that you didn't want to turn it back on as were still worried. I think that as it is an open flue back boiler that you haven't understood what happens if the valve breaks. On an open flue boiler the C02 fumes are ommitted into the room where the boiler is which is what set off your alarm, unlike a combi boiler which would ommit the fumes outside.

It isn't our interpretation at all it is what BG and the other engineers have said that it is not 'at risk' and falls within the requirement under the new legislation, however to avoid this ridiculous problem of BG issuing incorrect documentation we decided to make it (the very small amount) bigger which we originally felt as we were told it wasn't a risk would only serve to make the room colder.

We would never have let or expected you to pay for any repair to the shower fitting and had we been asked would have authorised it immediately.

We also NEVER asked you to pay for the replacement vent it was the agent that called asking us to give permission for you to do it as he said you wanted to!!

Also, the agent hasn't mentioned that you are still using him to find a property in fact has given the opposite impression and never mentioned that that is what you wanted to do in December. In fact we haven't heard anything since he asked us for permission for you to do the work in November until Monday 20th February after the valve went when we were only told that BG were coming to fix it the next day.

I think that perhaps you are being told 1 thing and we are being told something completely different.

I do not have any contact details for you to discuss this further.

 

[nems1982]

Please see the message I have sent you through this forum.

Naomi

 

[PlumbBobBob]

just to interject here you can pm each other on here just click on the other's user name and click on private message.

 

[PlumbBobBob]

beat me to it lol

 

[mickeyuk]

The baxi 552 is a range rated boiler so you can adjust its settings in kw from [i think dont quot me]11kw 17kw to 21kw have not worked on this boiler for years. 21kw x 5 =105cm2 17kw = 85cm2

 

[huddster]

if you are with bg just ring them up raise a complaint with them and get the vent size confirmed- the size for a 552 is 90cm2 from mi's

and as a side note- an open flue boiler takes the fumes away up the chimney not into the room, it takes combustion air from the room only which is why its important to have a correctly sized vent

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

well having read through this entire thread and commenting as a qualified gas engineer with years of experience
what valve can break on a open flued boiler and emit fumes into the room?
this sounds implausible
secondly this vent sizing debacle should have been sorted long ago and if i was in rented accommodation and i had been issued 3 AR reports gas safe would have been involved long ago,however i deal with tenants on a daily basis there are two sides to every story
thirdly this site is not the place for arguments if there is any doubt in a appliance being safe and contradicting comments have been issued by both independent GSR engineers and BG ring gas safe,but a warning to the letting agent/landlord you will be prosecuted under GUISR IF PROBLEMS ARE FOUND AT THE PROPERTY,and so will the gsr who issued the cp12 so i would advise you get your facts very clear before going down this route

 

[jefaz]

Been off for a while and after coming back on and reading this......wow
I am however of the opinion of what valve can break?
im interested to find that out?

 

[Reltub]

Ive also just read through this thread and can't actually believe all this hassle has been caused by what im guessing is a slightly undersized vent. The reg's on the classification of vent sizes have recently changed, but IMO the system has obviously been like this for many years with no problems and is only being raised now because of the changes in regs. This job to make it bigger would take no time at all wither chop it out so you can fit a 100 cm2 vent cover and sleeve or re core and install a vent into that 30 mins if that through most bricks. £150 seems a bit excessive.

Also dont see what valve can break to cause a co leak, even if there is poor flame picture due to lack of ventilation ( which i highly doubt ) the flue should be doing its job and this is the most important safety aspect.

Seems like a hell of alot of stress for a 30min job tbh and any1 can do it, get the landlord round with his hammer and chisel - job done.

 

[Whn1]

Brilliant read though. Bravo

 

[stevetheplumber]

Thanks Jefaz, we did turn it off to start with but we've had no choice but to put it back on because of the weather. BG man did issue an 'at risk' notice but didn't turn it off and we didn't sign disclaimer.

having read this thread i cant decide if were dealing with the tennant or landlord from hell but the quote above did make me wonder about the logic behind the decision to turn it on when you seem convinced it is dangerous given a choice of being cold or dieing id reach for a sweat shirt every time

 

[nems1982]

Its kind of besides the point now guys. We've moved. Please try not to discourage other people from seeking help in the future by questioning their motives, neither the landlord or we as tenants wanted to be in this situation, both parties felt they were right and couldn't understand why the other couldn't see that. The facts in this case are we wanted the vent to be resized because we were told it was too small, the landlord felt it was unnecessary as it was safe when they had been living there. Both parties believed they were right. The situation changed when we had a Carbon monoxide leak. Since we moved I believe the landlord has taken advice from another engineer the result of which I can't tell you as I said we are no longer living there.
What matters is the situation will be resolved either way before another tenant moves in.

Please don't make light of this situation, there was no need to try and determine who was the bad guy. This thread was created so that I could get some advice from the professionals, I'm happy to say many of you very kind people have been great and offered some brilliant advice. Thank you, and in the nicest possible way I hope we don't have to speak again in the near future. Naomi xx