NEW ZONING Rules for PART L

[newagegasman]

I did a honeywell course recently and i i understand in new build housing you have to zone upstairs and downstairs heating circuit with room stat etc but in existing properties what is everybodys take on this.. when changing just the boiler and system upgrade etc. we cant surly have to start zoning everything off?

 

[hammers4spanner]

150 isnt it???

 

[lame plumber]

i understand new boiler equals new rules so supposedly yes if you sign off boiler to meeting regs, try telling your custard that. However easy option, programmable trvs on one floor, means timer and room stat on ground floor and programmable trvs in beds, rules complied with,or thereabouts

 

[newagegasman]

Yeah that's what I thought but the way they were banging on, is like you have to
zone valves in existing properties and the only reason for 3 ports valves still being on the market is replacement only. I did raise that argument but the part l complaint rules are starting to confuse me now.

 

[bewsh]

isn't it only necessary to zone if it's over 150m2 of floor space or something?

 

[newagegasman]

Not with how they were explaining the new rules on part l that's what I used to think..

 

[hammers4spanner]

I alays thought it was 150 , when did they change it??

 

[bewsh]

maybe they are trying to sell more zone valves?

 

[newagegasman]

Well I did think that but they showed us all the regs but in the boiler commission book it does state whether its part l compliant.. I don't do much install as of yet but I just wanted to know how everyone's getting around the regs.

 

[bewsh]

I didn't even know they'd changed the regs to be honest

 

[newagegasman]

Well I've been reading it online and to be honest it looks the same, just wann cast some light on it.

 

[REDSAW]

a new heating system is a new installation.
a new boiler is a replacement component of an existing system !!!

try telling your customer with a dodgy boiler that the whole lots no good... then give me their number.

 

[newagegasman]

That's exactly what I thought, how can you justify going to all that hassle?

 

[dancinplumba]

a new heating system is a new installation.
a new boiler is a replacement component of an existing system !!!

try telling your customer with a dodgy boiler that the whole lots no good... then give me their number.

Or mine 😉

 

[REDSAW]

i suppose there will be some people around thinking the wearing of seat belts in cars is mandatory too!

 

[dancinplumba]

Nah, no one is daft enuff, surely not ?????

 

[Dannypipe]

Even if it's a new system, and the customer doesn't want it zoned, there is no legal reason for them to have it done.

No ones going to come lock them up for not zoning their central heating.

I'll always tell them they should have it. Explain the benefits, but say it comes at extra cost. Then the option is theirs. I've had customers who choose not to have it zoned.

 

[REDSAW]

i have 99% of all my customers refuse!!

 

[Dannypipe]

I was told by a building control officer (subject got bought up as I was zoning a house we were doing into three zones).

He said you should get it in writing that you have advised them to zone the system, and that they have refused. Just in case they tried to pull a fast one. For example if at the end of the job they said, "this should be zoned under part L of the building regulations, you haven't advised me correctly and therefore I want X amount off".

However I haven't made my customers do this. I'm sure eventually some poor plumber will get stung in this way though.

 

[hammers4spanner]

I am surprised building control know much about zoning most i have come across are clueless about plumbing/heating to the point of i had one asking for a gas safe sign off for moving a radiator once .

 

[plumber0808]

I was told by a building control officer (subject got bought up as I was zoning a house we were doing into three zones).

He said you should get it in writing that you have advised them to zone the system, and that they have refused. Just in case they tried to pull a fast one. For example if at the end of the job they said, "this should be zoned under part L of the building regulations, you haven't advised me correctly and therefore I want X amount off".

However I haven't made my customers do this. I'm sure eventually some poor plumber will get stung in this way though.

they can blame you for planting that seed. Well dannypipe off plumbersforum said...

 

[dancinplumba]

I was told by a building control officer (subject got bought up as I was zoning a house we were doing into three zones).

He said you should get it in writing that you have advised them to zone the system, and that they have refused. Just in case they tried to pull a fast one. For example if at the end of the job they said, "this should be zoned under part L of the building regulations, you haven't advised me correctly and therefore I want X amount off".

However I haven't made my customers do this. I'm sure eventually some poor plumber will get stung in this way though.

hasnt this happened already ?? am sure there is something on this forum about it and a plumber was getting sued for not zoning, house was sold and new owner was suing installer for install not complying with part L

 

[doitmyself]

This has been discussed before. There is a definitive answer in Zoning Requirements

 

[SafeGasInstall]

try and tell your customer he needs to pay for :
1 two port valve
1 wireless programable thermostat
over all £200.00 on top of the rest ?????!!!!!

I can tell you NOW that you will not win that job

 

[Howsie]

This has been discussed before. There is a definitive answer in Zoning Requirements

That link takes me to this thread.



Very odd

 

[SafeGasInstall]

what is like to have a I pad mate ? u got th 3g one

 

[dancinplumba]

what is like to have a I pad mate ? u got th 3g one

yes and selling mine this week

 

[SafeGasInstall]

steve fb me pls

 

[dancinplumba]

steve fb me pls

its sold stan,just waiting for my nexus 10 and nexus 4 to come 🙂

 

[doitmyself]

That link takes me to this thread.

It works OK on my PC!

Try http://www.ukplumbersforums.co.uk/c...nes-new-replacement-systems-4.html#post335423

 

[Dannypipe]

I am surprised building control know much about zoning most i have come across are clueless about plumbing/heating to the point of i had one asking for a gas safe sign off for moving a radiator once .

I get the feeling they all have their own favourite subject.

You even get private firms now who the local council are subbing the work out to, as they don't have enough rescourses.

On the whole, I've never had any issues with building control.

The bloke I mentioned earlier, made me drop test all the new soil runs, and came and checked me doing the tests. He wanted to check the sleeving on pipework, basically he was all over it like a rash.

Luckilly (and smugly) for me, he couldn't pick any holes in our work. 🙂

 

[Toxic Ted]

We had a problem with building control on a job in Farnborough where they were looking for something to pull us on and it transpired that the architect had given them the hump about something and it seemed like a competition in the planning office to get us on something.........they are worse than kids ..........wimin even.

 

[Dannypipe]

Architects!! They're even worse.

One architect who is the father of one of my best mates....well I suggested him to a customer who I'd done over £100K worth of work for and who was very happy with everything. The customer wanted my firm to knock down the annex and build a new one in its place (he didn't even want another firm to quote for the work). So I suggested this architect to draw up the plans and put it through planning, (and unbelievably for another job too).

Well he side-lined us, and had his 'pet' builders do both the jobs....and quite amusingly cock both of them up. The other one was a loft conversion. I've now been asked to do a report for the client with the loft conversion so she can sue the builder. The architect was obviously 'in bed' with this building firm and getting a back hander. Scum bag.

I was so close to going round and laying him out.

But he's my mates Dad, even if they aren’t that close, I can't go round bashing a mates dad.

On my latest project the architect is trying to put the job through planning, and the customer insists it can be done on 'permitted development'. Guess who was right in the end? The client.

I dunno, pen pushers. They aren't in the real world when it comes to the construction industry.

 

[lame plumber]

architects are just the bankers of the construction trade, insert W where required

 

[buckley plumb]

150 isnt it???

not as from about a year ago only property to not apply is one floor flat or studio.even terrace houses should be but not many do - contacted my local buildings office and they were happy with just trvs on upstairs rads shows how far behind they are

 

[buckley plumb]

http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/uploads/br/BR_PDF_PTL_DOMHEAT.pdf

page 15 is the one - page 14 also shows a topic discussed on here about notifying the work to building regs the person fitting or commisioning is responsible

 

[doitmyself]

http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/uploads/br/BR_PDF_PTL_DOMHEAT.pdf

That document was replaced in October 2010 by http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/uploads/br/domestic_building_compliance_guide_2010.pdf