NEW ZONING Rules for PART L

[newagegasman]

I did a honeywell course recently and i i understand in new build housing you have to zone upstairs and downstairs heating circuit with room stat etc but in existing properties what is everybodys take on this.. when changing just the boiler and system upgrade etc. we cant surly have to start zoning everything off?

 

[hammers4spanner]

150 isnt it???

 

[lame plumber]

i understand new boiler equals new rules so supposedly yes if you sign off boiler to meeting regs, try telling your custard that. However easy option, programmable trvs on one floor, means timer and room stat on ground floor and programmable trvs in beds, rules complied with,or thereabouts

 

[newagegasman]

Yeah that's what I thought but the way they were banging on, is like you have to
zone valves in existing properties and the only reason for 3 ports valves still being on the market is replacement only. I did raise that argument but the part l complaint rules are starting to confuse me now.

 

[bewsh]

isn't it only necessary to zone if it's over 150m2 of floor space or something?

 

[newagegasman]

Not with how they were explaining the new rules on part l that's what I used to think..

 

[hammers4spanner]

I alays thought it was 150 , when did they change it??

 

[bewsh]

maybe they are trying to sell more zone valves?

 

[newagegasman]

Well I did think that but they showed us all the regs but in the boiler commission book it does state whether its part l compliant.. I don't do much install as of yet but I just wanted to know how everyone's getting around the regs.

 

[bewsh]

I didn't even know they'd changed the regs to be honest

 

[newagegasman]

Well I've been reading it online and to be honest it looks the same, just wann cast some light on it.

 

[REDSAW]

a new heating system is a new installation.
a new boiler is a replacement component of an existing system !!!

try telling your customer with a dodgy boiler that the whole lots no good... then give me their number.

 

[newagegasman]

That's exactly what I thought, how can you justify going to all that hassle?

 

[dancinplumba]

a new heating system is a new installation.
a new boiler is a replacement component of an existing system !!!

try telling your customer with a dodgy boiler that the whole lots no good... then give me their number.

Or mine 😉

 

[REDSAW]

i suppose there will be some people around thinking the wearing of seat belts in cars is mandatory too!

 

[dancinplumba]

Nah, no one is daft enuff, surely not ?????

 

[Dannypipe]

Even if it's a new system, and the customer doesn't want it zoned, there is no legal reason for them to have it done.

No ones going to come lock them up for not zoning their central heating.

I'll always tell them they should have it. Explain the benefits, but say it comes at extra cost. Then the option is theirs. I've had customers who choose not to have it zoned.

 

[REDSAW]

i have 99% of all my customers refuse!!

 

[Dannypipe]

I was told by a building control officer (subject got bought up as I was zoning a house we were doing into three zones).

He said you should get it in writing that you have advised them to zone the system, and that they have refused. Just in case they tried to pull a fast one. For example if at the end of the job they said, "this should be zoned under part L of the building regulations, you haven't advised me correctly and therefore I want X amount off".

However I haven't made my customers do this. I'm sure eventually some poor plumber will get stung in this way though.

 

[hammers4spanner]

I am surprised building control know much about zoning most i have come across are clueless about plumbing/heating to the point of i had one asking for a gas safe sign off for moving a radiator once .