Reports of CO poisoning

[mcniven]

if its a flat, is downstairs an of back boiler? maybe the passes chimney area cracked leaking, high unlikely eh... just for thot

 

[AWheating]

what did transco do? i dont think you have been given the full picture? why would the fire services deal with co issues? if there had been a problem i think transco would have investigated further and possibly even gained access to adjoining propertys to ensure all is well.

 

[CMairiD]

Migration? What's next door? Outdoor sources? All things to consider when doing investigations.

 

[diamondgas]

if its a flat, is downstairs an of back boiler? maybe the passes chimney area cracked leaking, high unlikely eh... just for thot

Downstairs is empty but shows ya thinkin ... also has a combi and hob and is owned by the same Landlord 🙂

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

well its not co then steve unless its coming from some other source ,you could ring immigration LOL, dodgy looking fellas here ,i think one has a hook for a arm,no hang on its a coat hanger yes its to nick the radio out of the van false alarm they are British,you have done your tests(should have cooked a dinner (its in the regs dont you know LOL)there headaches are a, made up,b through going on the razzz,c,some ever issue

 

[diamondgas]

what did transco do? i dont think you have been given the full picture? why would the fire services deal with co issues? if there had been a problem i think transco would have investigated further and possibly even gained access to adjoining propertys to ensure all is well.

I totaly agree .. the people I spoke to were the tenants who explained having headaches when the heating was on! "Where you cooking at the time?" I asked ... Strange look from them then "No!" I still don't undertand why the fire brigade got involved .. however they did say that it'd all been off for 5 days when i arrived! Which make's it over the New Year weekend yeh? maybe they rang 999?

 

[AWheating]

even if they phoned 999 and they had turned up i dont think they would deal with it and just phone transco. If transco ID it then what paperwork was issued to the landlord?

 

[diamondgas]

well its not co then steve unless its coming from some other source ,you could ring immigration LOL, dodgy looking fellas here ,i think one has a hook for a arm,no hang on its a coat hanger yes its to nick the radio out of the van false alarm they are British,you have done your tests(should have cooked a dinner (its in the regs dont you know LOL)there headaches are a, made up,b through going on the razzz,c,some ever issue

:lol: It's a hard call to make though mark! To tell someone that what they've experienced wasn't CO! Especially after the flippin fire-brigade and Trasco (whoever) have been before you! LOL If I was wrong then at least the CO detector left by the FB will kick off!!

 

[diamondgas]

Normal transco paperwork read "soundness test okay, suspect fumes!" ... They didn't let me know they'd put a disc in the meter either Grrrrrrrr!! Found it in the outlet and had to carry out a second gas test!!

 

[CMairiD]

The Grid don't carry FGA's and I don't believe any of the gas emergency services south of the border (Scotland) even carry personal CO alarms. I've heard through the grape vine that some fire services have devices to detect CO, but never really heard exactly what their devices are.

 

[mikegas]

:lol: It's a hard call to make though mark! To tell someone that what they've experienced wasn't CO! Especially after the flippin fire-brigade and Trasco (whoever) have been before you! LOL If I was wrong then at least the CO detector left by the FB will kick off!!

agreed, not a situation i would like to be in

 

[AWheating]

re fire service :i would imagine that that would possibly have personal alarms like the gas safe inspectors do. If the transco guys cant test for co then how do they know if they are leaving a dangerous situation? or even entering a dangerous situation?

 

[tamz]

If the transco guys cant test for co then how do they know if they are leaving a dangerous situation? or even entering a dangerous situation?

They don't and they are not there to test for it. That is why they just turn off and........! If there was an incident then other people get involved who would check everything.

 

[diamondgas]

re fire service :i would imagine that that would possibly have personal alarms like the gas safe inspectors do. If the transco guys cant test for co then how do they know if they are leaving a dangerous situation? or even entering a dangerous situation?

My thoughts exactly! Their job is to make safe though and by capping off this families gas suply over the New Year they did exacly that!! Personally i think the service for testing for CO should be added to their remit!

However the Landlord could have let me know sooner but alas I got wind Wednesday!

 

[CMairiD]

Stephanie Trotter's been campaigning for the ESP to carry FGAs (or similar) and personal alarms for a long time. And your point about 'how do they know they aren't leaving a dangerous situation' is very valid. Without equipment, they only have visual inspection to rely on and that isn't going to do jack if you've got migration from elsewhere.

Have a look at: http://www.policyconnect.org.uk/app...enting Carbon Monoxide Poisoning (colour).pdf

Page 8 where their recommendations are for FGAs (or similar) and personal alarms (recommendation 8). Additionally look at pages 27-28. It was Scotia Gas that have kitted out their first call operatives with personal alarms.

 

[AWheating]

if they got called to a report of fumes and did not have a way to test it was safe to enter the building then i would think they need to ridor themselves.

there has been cases of engineers deaths when investigating reports of fumes.

also what if they turned up, turned off and it turn out to be next doors fumes and later the tennant died?? seems a risk not to test and investigate further.

 

[CMairiD]

also what if they turned up, turned off and it turn out to be next doors fumes and later the tennant died?? seems a risk not to test and investigate further.

As sad as it may sound, I think it's is going to take someone(s) dying just as you describe before the ESPs are forced into action.

 

[diamondgas]

Wold this job i attended been reported to the HSE? Am I suppose to RIDOR? Honestly I found no evidence of CO ... never gave it second thought as to whether I should cover the derrière 🙂

*sigh*

 

[tamz]

Wouldn't have thought so as no one before you tested or found anything, no one was hospitalised and you never found anything.

 

[CMairiD]

Strike CO from your mind and think about the normal reasons you'd issue a RIDDOR. If none of those reasons were evident, then no need to bother.