harrowing day!!

[Billy Bob Bob]

sounds different, but thats exactly how my story sounded at the start, what with the sun etc doing front page innocent kid throat slashed etc etc, just hope the world up there stay calm till the truth outs.

true,see how it pans out

 

[REDSAW]

on the good news side,

charlie my dog was in kennels last week and not eaten since last thursday due to 'unknown virus'/?.
he was at deaths door tuesday and couldnt even bend down to drink, shivering and high temprature.

today he has started eating and starting to become a right dick again to the sum of £250 vet bill and course of antibiotics***********


oooh, the neighbours have just returned home..............

 

[kay-jay]

im at a loss for words!
what a truly horrific way to die. i hope they throw the book at the scumbags responsible.
was it racially motivated?

 

[oz-plumber]

It's sickening.

It no consolation, but hopefully the driver and a couple of his mates will die in jail.

They'll be nice and tough in there, and, with some of the things that will happen to them in jail, they'll wishing they were the ones under the car.

I hope they cop a pounding

 

[Millsy 82]

trouble is the laws to soft and theres absolutely no deterrent

I agree. I know its something different totally but I watched a program the other night about repeat offenders in Dudley the main lad in it wanted to go to prison as he said it will be a break! The police were trying to pin a robbery on him which looked like the contents of a tradesmans van as it was mostly Dewalt tools they said he would probably be looking at 3 years in prison if they could find the evidence, I said to my girlfriend he should get more like 10 years as he has not only stolen someones tools but he has also stolen the food from his families table, When my girlfriend questioned what I said I replied if I had the contents of my van stolen I may be able to claim some back on insurance but chances are they wouldnt pay as my van is not in a locked garage no van vault etc so I would have to buy 3-5K of tools out of my own money meaning I would lose money for the next 2-3 months.

I think prisons should have a massive shake up as they admit they dont work hence why they try not to send people there. I think they should make that they dont have freedom they dont have luxuries they should only have enough time out of the showers to have a wash and a walk around for 30 mins they should eat sleep and crap in there cells, No gyms,TV,radio nothing! If they behave they should be allowed to work for 8 hours a day then have an hour after for washing and excercise then back locked up.

 

[REDSAW]

the stories are popping up now,
one is the lad was dealing a £10 hit to the driver and he refused to pay so a fight broke out!!

on a good source of info- the lad had a crack problem..


there is a facebook page set up so i will take a look if i find it

 

[lame plumber]

seems the truth will out, like I mentioned earlier, just let the facts be sorted and then see what happens

 

[WaterTight]

Society is becoming increasingly violent, and we have more access to hear about violence via 24 hour news, and the Internet, I think younger lads are becoming desensitised to it.

The evidence is that society - here and in the wider world - is getting less violent and has been steadily doing so for millenia. Perceptions of violence - your second point - is a separate phenomena which is always reliably uncoupled from the facts.

Good point of reference:

The Better Angels of Our Nature - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Have a skim, very persuasive.

I see the roots of violence as much in the comments posted here which call for harsh sentences - and even hanging - as I do in the feral acts of barbarity that bring them about. Mascarading under the banners of justice and fairness, people are really just seeking revenge. Pinker (author of above linked book) lists those impulses as our 'inner demons of aggression:'

1. Revenge – The “moralistic urge toward retribution, punishment, and justice.”
2. Sadism – The "deliberate infliction of pain for no purpose but to enjoy a persons suffering..."[SUP][/SUP]

This is what people really seek when they want to see the perps dangling from the gallows. Not the righting of a wrong. The impulse that drive those desires are as one with the impulses of the deranged ape that murdered the child with his car. The answer can't be more of the same.

I love this place. It's full of decent people who are utterly decent to the core. There's no pretence or loftiness, it won't be tolerated. But the second there is a discussion on something like this the replies all turn into the Daily Mail comment section. It's all "lock 'em up for life" and "throw away the key." Nobody seems much interested in what went wrong in the preceeding 18 years of that monster's life to bring this about. Whatever he is currently like: He must be unlucky to be like it. It is unfortunate, for him as well as everyone else.

But it's all plumbers here. Plumbers are predominantly working class. The British working class are predominantly socially conservative (and also patriotic, something i've never understood. why is it that the people who have the least and are compelled to work the hardest are the most proud of the country they live in, whereas those who take the most from it couldn't give two ****ts about it.) They subcribe to everything from the basics of greater social responsibility, up through tougher and longer sentences and all the way up to corporal and capital punishment.

I'm afraid I'm a devout lefty. Writhing in an agony of attempts at forgiveness and understanding and justification. I get more lefty as I get older. Every morning I wake up finding it harder to blame anyone for anything. I've probably got it all arse about face.

What were we talking about again?

This beer is good.

 

[REDSAW]

culprits been re arrested on a charge of attempted murder, perhaps didnt kill him on the first blow?

 

[WaterTight]

out of interest how are you getting updates on the police proceedings?

 

[WaterTight]

the stories are popping up now,
one is the lad was dealing a £10 hit to the driver and he refused to pay so a fight broke out!!

on a good source of info- the lad had a crack problem..


there is a facebook page set up so i will take a look if i find it

Apologies, should have read more closely.