Boiler servicing?

[macka09]

I won't be on it long lol. Big culture shock going from private domestic work

 

[newcastle phill]

Yeh wipe ya shoes on way out with some. Not all tho. Still some nice people

 

[jtsplumbing]

Yeh wipe ya shoes on way out with some. Not all tho. Still some nice people

And always lots of single mums ! :wink_smile: But that's for another thread . :censored:

 

[macka09]

Hi folks. Bit of an update here. I've been on the job 3 days and I'm being advised these "services" are not your standard yearly service like a private job. Apparently it's only a landlords safety check, and a full service only needs to be carried out if the fga readings are out.

Thoughts please???

 

[hammers4spanner]

Sounds about right

 

[macka09]

I'm being told that it is but I don't like to think that it's my name on the paperwork!!!

 

[Scott_D]

Can you get in writing what they expect?
Their 'service' procedure?

 

[macka09]

Can you get in writing what they expect?
Their 'service' procedure?

I could ask the question I suppose.

 

[AllyBongo]

Sounds like a British Gas service!

 

[macka09]

To the guys who gave there servicing routine, what safety devices do you check other than checking the expansion vessel ??? Cheers

 

[jtsplumbing]

Hi folks. Bit of an update here. I've been on the job 3 days and I'm being advised these "services" are not your standard yearly service like a private job. Apparently it's only a landlords safety check, and a full service only needs to be carried out if the fga readings are out.

Thoughts please???

So in fact your doing CP12 & not servicing, two Totally different things, just make sure that you tick the NO box on form where it says about service, and find out what they are expecting you to do, (in writing as you need to cover your Arse,) Have you spoken to any of the other fitters on the company ?

 

[macka09]

It's the fitter who I went out with who told me what's what. When I first went in and spoke to the gaffer he was very vague with questions I asked him.

 

[Ad_stoke]

I do servicing for housing association.... Boiler Service normally consists of.

Tightness test.
Condense trap clean
Gas rates on full rate only. Normally combis, so on high rate.
Analyser high rate only
And safety device.
And obviously your visual checks.
I think the only thing we don't do is checking expansion vessel. Low rate analyser. And working pressure unless it's a gas fire service... And no where on the housing associations cert does it ask for all this. Mad eh.

 

[jtsplumbing]

It's the fitter who I went out with who told me what's what. When I first went in and spoke to the gaffer he was very vague with questions I asked him.

You just need to be very carful with these company's, they usely have a very high turnover of staff, may expect you to cut corners, then if it go's **** up you get the blame, your name on Cert, could work out ok, but protect self ! get written instructions if you can.

 

[Ad_stoke]

Jtsplumbing... Your right there mate. These housing associations will blame you for everything... Good advice. Get everything they want you do in writing. Save your own back.... When hits the fan the housing association will blame you for everything. Never trust them

 

[macka09]

I do servicing for housing association.... Boiler Service normally consists of.

Tightness test.
Condense trap clean
Gas rates on full rate only. Normally combis, so on high rate.
Analyser high rate only
And safety device.
And obviously your visual checks.
I think the only thing we don't do is checking expansion vessel. Low rate analyser. And working pressure unless it's a gas fire service... And no where on the housing associations cert does it ask for all this. Mad eh. [emoji54]

So you don't do working pressure at the meter? What safety devices are you checking?
I'm finding it really eye opening how some people/organisations are cutting corners like this. It's as if the people who are in the properties don't matter or the the regs for that matter.

 

[Ad_stoke]

Don't do working pressures unless it's a gas fire.... There are gas safe rules and then there are housing association rules... And it seems like the housing association think they rule.... Until hits the...... You know the line lol

 

[Ad_stoke]

For example.... No flue clips on vertical flue... Previously we noted ncs no flue clips... But gas safe rules say..... AR.. So need turn boiler off.

 

[jtsplumbing]

For example.... No flue clips on vertical flue... Previously we noted ncs no flue clips... But gas safe rules say..... AR.. So need turn boiler off.

But will you do it ?????????????

 

[macka09]

Folks I've asked on a few different posts about what and how do you personally check the safety devices on a boiler? Please can you take the time and tell me.
Do you really take the pressure up to trigger the prv or do you actually just operate the prv and hope it deals again? Things like this.

 

[quality]

No mate don't touch the Prv on most boilers as they never re-seat. test it works but after service with clean water

 

[Scott_D]

Turn off the gas under the boiler and wait til it goes to fault

 

[jtsplumbing]

Have a read through some manufactures servicing lists and see what they say, I think your worrying to much about things, anyway thought you were doing CP12 work ? and most of that is just visual, I remember some time back either CORGI or gas Safe did an article on what is expected on a service. Anyway the amount the company are giving you to do its not possible to do a full strip service on 12 a day, that's why they only want a fga check done.

 

[macka09]

I am worrying but only cos I care lol. Even if some of them are filthy.

 

[jtsplumbing]

I am worrying but only cos I care lol. Even if some of them are filthy.

Then your going to have some sleepless nights, don't let it get to you ! if your company are only asking you to do fga check then just do that, but get something in writing ! (They must a format that they want you to follow) Think you need to spend a couple of weeks along side one of the guys that have been doing it for a wile

 

[macka09]

I would like to do that for peace of mind but the guy they sent me with seems to know less than me. The guys who have the knowledge are on the breakdowns.

 

[TFGplumbing]

Sounds like they want a bare bones safety check

Check the flue
Check ventilation normally n/a
Check the inlet pressure
Gas rate
Fga
Inspect gas pipework
TT

 

[julesverne]

If its safety check they want then do just that. It might not be right but it is what it is. The price what your company gets paid dictates the standard needed to comply.

Everywhere has a price point and it dictates the standard. End of the day you dont have to stay there forever and the experience will be priceless for you.
You have to earn a living so suck it up and get on with it.
The other option is too walk away but can you afford to do that

 

[macka09]

Good advice.
I still can't get my head around the different standards of work within this industry. Surely to be safe, we do it right or not at all? Believe me I do need the money but I don't thing Gas Safe would care to much if I haven't followed MIs.

 

[TFGplumbing]

Good advice.
I still can't get my head around the different standards of work within this industry. Surely to be safe, we do it right or not at all? Believe me I do need the money but I don't thing Gas Safe would care to much if I haven't followed MIs.

I know its mad.. well as long as you cover the 26.9 checks.. legally your okay I guess.

 

[GrahamM]

Its basically a generic CP12 you are doing by sound of it.
Check boiler operating.
Switch off spur. Check you have isolation/protection/3amp fuse etc.
Tightness test. WP at meter. Gas off to check FSD if applicable.
Case off check inside/outside case integrity/seals etc. Check flue term position/support etc. PRV term. Condi run/term.
Depending on boiler gas rate on max or BP. FGA on max and min if applicable. & make any adjustments.
Check flame picture if applicable.
Anything untoward will get noted and if required will be put in for further works.

Get a load of PDF MI files on a tablet as more often than not you wont have MI's available.

 

[GrahamM]

I do servicing for housing association.... Boiler Service normally consists of.

Tightness test.
Condense trap clean
Gas rates on full rate only. Normally combis, so on high rate.
Analyser high rate only
And safety device.
And obviously your visual checks.
I think the only thing we don't do is checking expansion vessel. Low rate analyser. And working pressure unless it's a gas fire service... And no where on the housing associations cert does it ask for all this. Mad eh.

You should be doing a low rate FGA if MI's state a figure for it.
I have been to many that was dangerously out of spec on the low rate with off the scale PPM.

 

[erion]

I was told by my inspector dont do a tightness test on a service. He said isolate the appliance do your service and purge after your done. Gets you out of potential mess

 

[GrahamM]

I was told by my inspector dont do a tightness test on a service. He said isolate the appliance do your service and purge after your done. Gets you out of potential mess

Depends who the job is for. It is not a a standard requirement to do on a standard service for a private customer if no smell of gas but you will be required to do for most housing CP12's.

 

[GrahamM]

I was told by my inspector dont do a tightness test on a service. He said isolate the appliance do your service and purge after your done. Gets you out of potential mess

Depends who the job is for. It is not a a standard requirement to do on a standard service for a private customer if no smell of gas but you will be required to do for most housing CP12's.