C&G 6128 or C&G 6129? Please help...

[Andymav]

when i did my city and guilds 6128 it covered all aspects of plumbing including industrial it took me 2 years i done everything from copper pipework, plastic, and lcs pipework i was assessed by city and guilds assessors at the college my work was thoroughly assessed and passed off, my course included domestic installations standard of work was scrutinized to ensure a professional job was carried out, i was even trained in power flushing i found it a well managed course and tutors were very helpful and thorough, since finishing my course i have had no problem with finding work i have done all manor of site jobs and employers have been very encouraged the 6128 is the new route you take once i got onsite i was nvq assessed i had to build my own portfolio but so far so good ;-)

 

[samh]

Doing the 6129 in a year, at the end I get 3 years to find my work placement for an NVQ before the technical certificate becomes useless/nullified etc.
Last year I did the NOCN level 2 (the practical work portfolio is pretty much identical to the one I am doing this year)

Most people seem unwilling to even give work experience but I have managed to get two weeks here and there. Just trying to get as much work experience with as many different plumbers as I can right now, I can pick up different tips and tricks, more experience and hopefully one will decide to take me on for my NVQ and then as a proper apprentice. I know its a bit of a far fetched dream really but its better than nothing.

 

[Bernie2]

When I was a trainer, there were plenty of training providers, the main problem was getting placements. Its probably a lot of red tape, but then you do need some to stop exploition of the trainee.

 

[kirkgas]

Hi, You will find that the 6129 does make you a qualified Plumber. It is a Machanical Engineering Certificate. An NVQ is work based quliforcation which is usually for young people who are on apprenticeships. After you have done your 6129 you will then be able to straight to Gas. The 6129 covers far more and is more intensive and a better qualiforcation than the 6128.
Have fun pipe strangling

the 6129 is not accepted by bpes to allow you to do a Category 2 gas course as it is a technical cert, not a practical one, i will prob get a dig from a mod for saying the next bit, but it is fact as i was part of the conversation, but there is one well known training provider who does not make this clear at all, and i would go as far as to say that they fudge the issue completely by making all sorts of statements that by doing the 6129 you are "half way to becoming gas registered" and that is a direct quote from their sales muppet. however on completion of the 6129 you then use that as a stepping stone to go for NVQ2 which allows you to do the Category 2 course, which adds another £4k+ to your bill, as i said i only know that bpec wont accept the 6129 as entry to Cat 2 so they are saying you are not a plumber, dont know if other certification bodies allow it , but given the nature of the business i would expect all of them to accept the minimum they can to allow people to train therefore making the certification body more money.

 

[kirkgas]

thought 6129 only made you a cat 3, nvq makes you a cat 2 and previous avs or acops a cAT 1

100% CORRECT, but you can be a CAT 3 without the 6129, so if the question is "MUST you have 6129 to be CAT 3?" the anwer is NO, however if the question is "will 6129 help you?" then that answer is different for everyone, although i cant see it not helping via some previuos knowledge as it all helps

 

[kirkgas]

Category 2 applicants must provide evidence that they hold qualifications relevant to the
area of gas work they are seeking to obtain qualification in.

Examples of appropriate qualifications include:

1. Plumbing craft qualifications or N/SVQ (oil and/or solid fuel options) - suitable initially
for domestic or commercial central, water heating or pipe work installation

2. Pipe fitter/welder craft qualification or N/SVQ - suitable initially for commercial pipe
work, pipe work commissioning and meter installation

3. Heating and ventilation craft qualification or N/SVQ - suitable initially for commercial
pipe work and appliance installation

4. Refrigeration engineer / fitter craft qualification or N/SVQ - suitable initially for​

commercial appliance and pipe work installation.

regards keylock

i agree with what you have posted here, but bpec will not accept the 6129 as a plumbing qualification

 

[Andymav]

the 6129 is being axed or it has been the 6128 is the new route and teaches pretty much all plumbing principles and city and guilds assessment the top up to the 6128 is the 6088 which includes onsite assessment =nvq level 2 6128 is the new accepted plumbing qualification i have experience of this as do many friends of mine who have done this course its easier and you learn more

 

[Andymav]

i did more plumbing on the 6128 in 2 years than what i would of done in 4 years at college far more practical assessments, the exams for the 6128 were 100% pass marks any less was a retake so anyone that says its a low pass acceptance is wrong most of the exams were done on the city and guilds online assessment i didn't even have to do my cscs card health and safety test as the 6128 includes this during this course i recived my bpec unvented hot water storage systems , water regulations and part p

 

[fuzzy]

andy,

the 6128 is not the replacement for the 6129, they are both tech certs and are both on their way out

the replacement plumbing qual is the 6189 nvq diploma, there is no tech cert

the 6128 in a private centre is exactly the same as the 6128 in a college. there is no possibility that the assessments at one centre are different from another

 

[samh]

Had my cold water systems exam today as part of my 6129 today. Passed with 87.5%.
Desperate to find some work for me to start building a portfolio towards my NVQ level 2.

 

[PlumBum86]

I am half way through the 6129 and i think its great! It is the one you want. It covers all aspecs of plumbing from depth of notches in joists to central heating systems to full bathroom installations. NVQ level 2 is the industry recognised qualification as you can only get this by being assesed on site ie you will need to be working in the trade to enroll on this course. You can register as self employed and go and find your own plumbing work to be assed on.

Though they are planning to merge the 6129 and NVQ2 into a diploma, which i believe means that you will need to be working in the trade to get on the course (bloody stupid idea!) i think they are planning to introduce this diploma in september 2012 though you'll have to check with your local college.

I hope this helps, and good luck!! 🙂

 

[keylock000]

The 6129 is designed to give candidates an underpinning knowledge of plumbing. You agree it gave you that and therefore i would argue that you are proof that the qualification has worked.

Plumbing qualifications are like any other, they aim to provide the basic knowledge and skills to build upon, like driving, surveying, bricklaying, gardening etc etc

yeah you gotta have the quals ...but you need the hands on as well
and even with the quals you'll struggle to get work unless they know you can do the job....
but colleges never show you how to work onsite... i dont think they ever did, thats always been the sitework side of it
do you need the NVQ?..... not unless you want to go out of the uk to work, like Ausie or NZ for example require the full cert
regards keylock000

 

[fuzzy]

do you need the NVQ?.....

if you want a jib card to work on site and if you want the recognised qual as a plumber yes

 

[Suraj Patel]

module 5 awnaser ?

 

[PlumbBobBob]

module 5 awnaser ?

what's the question? not that we will give you the answer but we will probably point you in the right direction to work it out for yourself. the thing is you are supposed to be learning which you wont if we give you the answer.

 

[850Rick]

Im doing the 6129 as well half way through my first year,i dont practical and theory and you get assest as well to prove you can do the job folloed by exams