Europe

[Paulplumb]

One more for out

 

[Toxic Ted]

Worryingly enough the people i have seen interviewed on the street who would vote to stay in don't seem to know what they will be voting for.........they all seem to use the word "safer" and will be sleepwalking to the poll.

 

[plumben]

I say we get out and re build the British empire reclaim all out colonies and take over the world bar north Korea

 

[julesverne]

I always get the feeling we are seen as the bleeding obstructive ones in europe. And i think a lot of it stems from ww2 where we were never occupied. To me and its only my opinion It makes us different in the scheme of EU, we fully proved we could stand on our own 2 feet, where as eu require political and financial union to stop such a thing happening ever again.

Im sure there are lots of reasons for staying in or out but my gut feeling is we would be better off out.

The worlds a big place to do trade. Yes we export do a lot or trade with europe but they also do a lot of trade with us. i think the likes of BMW and Audi will banging on the doors of their parliament when faced with a hefty tarriff to import their cars here.

I could be wrong but to hell with it. im an islander with an island mentality not a european but i do live in europe.
Im not anti immigration but i do believe if you come here to the UK you should have the means to support yourself unless your a genuine refugee.

one thing is for sure it will be an interesting few months.

 

[newcastle phill]

Out.
There will be lots of threats and scaremongering about how catastrophic it will be but i dont buy into that. I feel cameron has been a complete turncoat on this and has come away from europe with a laughable deal where they allowed him to save some face which really is no deal at all.

Gotta love farage

https://youtu.be/dranqFntNgo

 

[Leo21]

What's happened then?ive been watching the snooker.

 

[Paulplumb]

I see some car stickers are available lol

 

[Millsy 82]

I'm possibly not the best person to comment on this as there are much more intelligent people out there to give the proper facts but thats never stopped me before.

I think in the long run out, We will be better off without europe, although we are a small country we do still have alot of sway with trade etc. The european countrys need us more than we need them as we buy alot more off them than we sell to them so they wont want to lose it, even if they do then there are plenty of other countries to deal with.

In the short term though I think that europe will make it as hard as possible to leave. Like it or not we are a big player in europe and they will want to break us if we leave, what would be worst for europe? Britain leaving and making it without europe or Britain leaving and failing?

My concerns are

If we make a success of it who else will follow? Germany/ France who are massive players in europe which if they see us make a success of it will they want out as well which could ruin europe as a whole and in turn ruin the economics of the world.

Are we big enough and do we buy enough to have that major clought when buying? A very rough example, as part of europe we would be like british gas having alot of clought due to the sheer size of europe and without will we become like a small local firm.

Will the above reason mean a massive price hike in certain things like fuel, gas, oil etc could this not potentially cause another recession?

Will we have even less control over immigration? at the moment we have an agreement with france to have border control over in there country, if they stop that will they continue to keep stopping people for us or just keep letting them through? Yes we can stop benifits for so long on immigrants but that doesnt stop them as they will just end up working cash jobs, stealing etc.

 

[stevetheplumber]

out

 

[stevetheplumber]

I'm possibly not the best person to comment on this as there are much more intelligent people out there to give the proper facts but thats never stopped me before.

I think in the long run out, We will be better off without europe, although we are a small country we do still have alot of sway with trade etc. The european countrys need us more than we need them as we buy alot more off them than we sell to them so they wont want to lose it, even if they do then there are plenty of other countries to deal with.

In the short term though I think that europe will make it as hard as possible to leave. Like it or not we are a big player in europe and they will want to break us if we leave, what would be worst for europe? Britain leaving and making it without europe or Britain leaving and failing?

My concerns are

If we make a success of it who else will follow? Germany/ France who are massive players in europe which if they see us make a success of it will they want out as well which could ruin europe as a whole and in turn ruin the economics of the world.

Are we big enough and do we buy enough to have that major clought when buying? A very rough example, as part of europe we would be like british gas having alot of clought due to the sheer size of europe and without will we become like a small local firm.

Will the above reason mean a massive price hike in certain things like fuel, gas, oil etc could this not potentially cause another recession?

Will we have even less control over immigration? at the moment we have an agreement with france to have border control over in there country, if they stop that will they continue to keep stopping people for us or just keep letting them through? Yes we can stop benifits for so long on immigrants but that doesnt stop them as they will just end up working cash jobs, stealing etc.

how can we have less control over immigration were an island? Australia seems to manage immigration quite well

 

[newcastle phill]

A big player - we pay into europe 55 million pound a day apparently - thats obscene and contrary to whats said by them i just cannot see how we get more back (as they claim). That just doesnt make sense. One of the richer country's with a larger economy getting more than the poorer nations is rubbish.
Those with more pay more. Those with less get more.

 

[Millsy 82]

how can we have less control over immigration were an island? Australia seems to manage immigration quite well

The difference between us and Australia though is around australia the nearest place is hundreds of miles away and to get there you have to go through shark infested water, we on the other hand have 22ish miles between dover and calais.

But what I'm saying is because of Europe we have an agreement with France to allow our border control to assist on there country along with their border control and police, if we leave will the French still allow this? Or will they just refuse to commit the large amount of funds required to control the flow of immigrants going through them. As once the immigrants are in this country it is a lot harder to stop them as if they have no passport we cannot send them back (or at least that is my understanding)

 

[Millsy 82]

A big player - we pay into europe 55 million pound a day apparently - thats obscene and contrary to whats said by them i just cannot see how we get more back (as they claim). That just doesnt make sense. One of the richer country's with a larger economy getting more than the poorer nations is rubbish.
Those with more pay more. Those with less get more.

That is why I think we should leave. In the long term we will benefit greatly but it is the short term that I'm concerned about.

 

[stevetheplumber]

The difference between us and Australia though is around australia the nearest place is hundreds of miles away and to get there you have to go through shark infested water, we on the other hand have 22ish miles between dover and calais.

But what I'm saying is because of Europe we have an agreement with France to allow our border control to assist on there country along with their border control and police, if we leave will the French still allow this? Or will they just refuse to commit the large amount of funds required to control the flow of immigrants going through them. As once the immigrants are in this country it is a lot harder to stop them as if they have no passport we cannot send them back (or at least that is my understanding)

we dont get mass immigration from anywhere else in the world as its the company that
brings them in thats liable so airlines check visas and passports before they get onto a plane
only a small section of our coast is close to europe plus without us being the end destination do you think france is going to carry on letting them in which will start a domino effect as then italy will start to defend its coastline

 

[oz-plumber]

how can we have less control over immigration were an island? Australia seems to manage immigration quite well

Correct immigration is managed well.

Incorrect immigration - asylum seekers and visa over-stayers are managed on a case by case basis.

If someone overstays their visa allowance and their caught, they will be detained and put on a plane back to where they come from.

The problem with most asylum seekers, they destroy their passports and have no where to be sent to, except detention centres, some in Australia , but others outside Australia.

Quite a big issue over here, and has been for some time.
Women and children in detention centres - not pleasant, but if they don't tell you who they are and where they come from - how to you know for sure if they are just que jumpers, or refugees?

 

[Ray Stafford]

A better question is to ask why the migrants choose to march all the way across Europe, often crossing several EU member states, and queue up at Calais in order to get to Britain?

By far the most likely explanation is that they believe that they will get a better deal in the UK than in Germany, France, Spain, Italy or any of the other EU countries.

If they no longer believed that, why would they congregate in Calais, any more than in any other of a thousand provincial towns across the continent? So the answer to the "Calais problem" is not barbed wire, or more police. Its taking away the incentive.

I should stress that I have no problem with immigration. Properly controlled immigration can work for host country and immigrant alike. But the key words are "properly controlled", and we can't do that in the EU.

 

[jtsplumbing]

I've been told if we leave the price of a decent bottle of red will go sky high!!

Don't get any decent bottles from the EU, all the good wines come from Australia

 

[rpm]

A very non scientific survey of 4 customers today gave 4 out`s, reasons given were Not value for money paid in, UK laws for the UK and Immigration controls being the main reasons.

 

[jtsplumbing]

OUT vote for me, time to take back control of our own country, we have a proud heritage and history in this country that is being slowly wiped out, The EU is bleeding this country dry, The sooner we leave this Dictatorship the better, Lets put the billions paid to the EU back into redeveloping this country, instead of supporting the lavish lifestyles of the EU fat cats, This country prospered very well B4 the EU, trading with most other country's, take JCB most of there exports go to China & South America so gain very little from the EU , How will we be worse off ??? We need to leave now, If the vote says out ! how long will it take ? Next day ? 10 years time ? or will the numbers be fiddled to suit what the government wants ??

 

[Old Account]

It nice to see that a lot of people have an opinion but it would be better to know what's the reason in your opinion why you saying OUT ...

In !!!


Trades , investments and jobs depending on EU it's more pros than cons ...