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Nah, if you were really posh you had carpet and matching toilet seat covers.
I remember fitting those maroon ones with my dad. When we used to go for dinner he'd always put the levels on the van so the cust couldn't check it while we were gone. Good old days.
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When younger we had a coffe type brown suite, which showed up every toothpaste mark or anything that wasnt brown..
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spark asks me how i fit my baths ? i told him i either batten the walls or i stick them on using pink grip, few weeks later he asks me to fix a job of his apparently his shower tray is moving hahaha, i was glad they still had a few floor tiles left, did have to buy the18mm ply an cement/board adhesive, maybe it all got used up the 1st time he fitted it :dozey:
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Mike Jackson
Enough of the nice stuff, back to the dodgy pics. On a small caravan site doing some remedial works after they had some new water heaters fitted and annual gas safety checks done by a local firm. A firm I sub to got called in to look at a faulty regulator and noticed that the wrong flue had been fitted to one of the vans. The old flue had been the vented type and the new flue was a standard one. The owners contacted the original firm and they said that there was nothing wrong and refused to come back. Gas Safe were contacted and came and did an inspection and highlighted faults to all three installations, mainly ventilation issues because the new heaters were 10 litre models instead of the 6 litre ones taken out.
Gas Safe wanted the original firm to come back in to carry out the work but the owner wasn't happy with that so I've ended up there to rectify the known faults and check the rest of the gas appliances.
I decided to tackle the worst van first. I did the flue to the water heater and then proceeded to carry out the annual inspection. I rectified a gas leak and then moved inside. I took the fire out to inspect the catchment space and found this.
RIMG0012 by Mike Jackson1, on Flickr
It looks a bit rusty around the relief ventilation opening.
Removing the closure plate revealed.
RIMG0015 by Mike Jackson1, on Flickr
RIMG0017 by Mike Jackson1, on Flickr
I'm fairly certain that the fire wasn't removed to check the space last year, that has certainly not just happened.
Checking the ventilation to the van I found.
RIMG0022 by Mike Jackson1, on Flickr
This was in the small bedroom and, again, looks like it has been there a lot more than a year.
Just got the other two to sort out tomorrow.
An update on the other two vans. First one I tackled didn't look too bad and ventilation looked like it may be okay. A further check on ventilation revealed that high level in the water heater compartment was fine but low level was half the requirement (funnily enough dead right if a 6l water heater had been in there as it was originally). I cut another vent in the floor and proceeded to test. Checked the rest of the vents first and most were half blocked with cobwebs, a lot more than you'd expect from a year, so probably not checked last year when the ticket was done. Lit the fire next and nearly took my eyebrows off. The air ports on the pilot were completely blocked and when it finally lit in the whoosh of flame coming from the main burner it looked like a candle flame. After cleaning this out and the soot off the burner the fire looked fine. Then went to check the water heater, fired it up on it's own and it was fine, light the fire and it spilled like mad. Crack the door open a wee bit and it was fine so cut another vent in at low level and that was fine as well.
Onto the third van. This one had sufficient low level ventilation in the water heater compartment but nowhere near enough at high level. Easiest option on this was to put a ventilated flue on. When I took the old flue off I found this.
RIMG0004-1 by Mike Jackson1, on Flickr
RIMG0007 by Mike Jackson1, on Flickr
RIMG0008 by Mike Jackson1, on Flickr
I don't know whether they cut the flue short or used offcuts to make up a third flue but definitely not an approved method of jointing flues whatever the reason.
When I finished the vans they asked me if I could test the boiler in the office and the snack shack. I did the office one but said that I couldn't do the snack shack as I didn't have COMCAT. Apparently the same cowboys that did the work on the vans issued a ticket for the snack shack and they don't have COMCAT either. I'll await the doo doo hitting the fan over that one later. I'd lay money on the install not complying.
Had these on my pc for a while, A very dodgy boiler install I came across during a LGSI.
Flow and return in 22mm copper down to 15mm hep2o and a quality flue installation (yes that is daylight and its going through a void as well).
Dont know how long it was in for or who done it but no paperwork left.
Do you think it was going to be a Low Loss Header & then someone changed there minds???. 3rd connection down on the lefthand side of boiler is the primaries to the cylinders. Wheres the zone valve (only one) ? ,behind the 1st cylinder but where the pump ?? Yes that it on the return going back into the boiler !!!!!! nice one.
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Someone spent a lot of money on that just a pity there plumber just didn't quite know what he was doing
Whats even better is the clear glass window when you are in mid dump !!!! Now thats amusing !!
I'm shocked and appalled at what Mike Jackson has had to rectify in his last few posts here. I'm beginning to think Gas Safe should be doing more and come down mega hard on these chancers, I mean what's the worst that's gong to happen to these fools? Slap on the wrist and a few future jobs scrutinised then given the green light to carry on as they were? Not kidding when I say I'm shocked and appalled at this.
Chris ,
what are the two pumps feeding to the left ? What is under the boiler rhs a secondery hot water pump ? What's the pump doing on the return to the boiler for and is there no expansion vessels fitted ?? I know is not your work just interest to find out the job specification .
also is both cylinders of one primary flow with one motorised valve ?
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TBServices
Hi Stan
One does heating on the first & 2nd, the other the U/F on the whole Ground floor. (as Gray below) as for the other pump it sucks the water around the cylinders & a 22mm towel rail circuit as well as aiding & abetting the other two heating pumps it would seem (mind you all are 15/50's on speed 3) expansion vessel & loop are on the floor to the left out of shot. Job specification ??? no there wasn't one (I asked) which went along with the insulation on all the pipework not just in the plant room throughout the whole house.
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Expansion vessel should be sited on pipe work with no valves on or between it and the heat source?
We know that vern but TBH I think thats the least of this guy's problems, my reports going to be a long one !!!
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Haha would love to put it right.....what a waste....nice boiler and cylinders all spoilt now!
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Lol oh go on then...... we are on cheques now not beer vouchers!
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GArlington
Squatters will not be installing soil pipes in the house, they would find the house with all mod cons in place.
Well, you never know. I saw a documentary on squatters and their ingenuity was only beaten by their dogged determination to avoid full time employment.
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That sort of install is way beyond me but I find it a real tragedy that someone who can make such a neat and professional LOOKING job, doesnt know what he's doing (not from my observation - I wouldnt know). I take my hat off to you lot for fault finding it because it certainly looks the part.
On today's safety check I had a heat o ly boiler converted to sealed system with prv straight out on the first bend over the boiler on the flow pipe and expansion vessel in the airing cupbored on the positive side of the pump , + many more faults
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Just like to point out this is one we ripped out. This was one that I used in my ACS portfolio.
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You loom at it and think quality install even like trunking on floor for circuits etc then you look deeper into it and you see faults !you can see a plumber has done it ! Just out of his depth maybe !
I fitted an outside tap for my college bricky department and decided I might as well use the opportunity to use it as evidence of me following PPE rules for my portfolio. I'll have to scan the photo one day to show you how cool I look wearing a hard hat, ear defenders and goggles while drilling the hole standing on my ladder (propped at 45 degrees of course). I think it's 45 degrees, is it?
1 out for every 4 up I think!!?
I have some old photos from when I did my NVQ. I've a lot more hair, and less belly. Depressing!
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mitchellcook
LOL was waiting for that.
Edit: Then again, that was the bricky department for students so I think the wall was way out to be honest.
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This ones for my gas port folio. PPE overkill!!
Is that flue going to be 300mm from an opening to a building? Naughty naughty 🙂
tbh I wear ear defenders when I even drill 18mm let alone dimoned drill ,on the did wear always ears defenders + dust mask .
This ones for my gas port folio. PPE overkill!!
I wonder how long it took to drill the 4" flue hole with this eubauer hamer dril !? Lol
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Ouch! That was the moment I began going grey.
Also, found the original photo and I was right - the wall was out:
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theres a massive pic of a washing machine, that looks fine.
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This ones for my gas port folio. PPE overkill!!
your core drills crap..:smiley2:
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tamz
This ones for my gas port folio. PPE overkill!!
Fail
Never use a drill with arms above your head like that. If it jambs it will have your arm broke.
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tamz
Thought I was looking at American plumbing there at first.
What's that U piece on your gauge, I take it it's to prevent your hose kinking? Not that I have a use for my manometer atm but interested all the same.
I'm too tired to even contemplate what you're talking about but okay, if you say so lol.
Yeah, I'd put money on it being there a good while longer than the meter!
That's just to go on the end of the gauge when it's not in use. To stop the liquid spilling out. Nothing fancy mate!
I think Howsie is pulling your leg! The hose isn't connected to the gauge you see!
yes, especially with lead work: fold over the end and hammer flat! Have seen a number of places with copper pipe flattened and soldered, usually on water but occasionally on gas.
Elf n safety.....3 points of contact on the ladder at all times! Maybe your knee counts as 1 ! 🙂
This ones for my gas port folio. PPE overkill!!
Looking good? I've never heard one bloke tell another bloke he looks good 🙂
is there some thing your not telling us stan?????
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Kyle87
1 not my drill, my drill is the later version of that drill. All I can afford don't hate me.
2. Three points of contact on ladder, two feet and my enormous pen15 sticking out of my trouser leg.
3. Did not install gas pipe. Just moved boiler.
4. Took ages to drill hole.
5. It did snag once or twice but lucky the clutch works.
6. I always look good!!
2. Three points of contact on ladder, two feet and my enormous pen15 sticking out of my trouser leg.
3. Did not install gas pipe. Just moved boiler.
4. Took ages to drill hole.
5. It did snag once or twice but lucky the clutch works.
6. I always look good!!
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No problem son, now how about getting off to bed you have work in the morning.
Dam!!!, now I am doing the same thing as I was moaning about, typical parent !! sorry want happen again.
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The strange use of flexi's Came across these on Friday! A PRV, note the iso valve end at the wall 🙂
And then told that a radiator downstairs didn't work....!
and flow 
The whole system is piped up in 15mm !!!!
Forgot the filling loop fitted incorrectly too !!!
I now understand why this landlord considers me too expensive if this is the standard of work he expects :lol:
And then told that a radiator downstairs didn't work....!
and flow The whole system is piped up in 15mm !!!!
Forgot the filling loop fitted incorrectly too !!!
I now understand why this landlord considers me too expensive if this is the standard of work he expects :lol:
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diamondgas
Your guess is as good as mine mate! Certainly no way of removing the 'temp' loop connection 🙂
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with plumbing like this, who needs proffesionals. was loads more in the house. plastic to kitchen rad, pushfit all over attic etc
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Bunker
what a lovely find. I raked out the remains of the old fire cement, straightened it up and re-cemented it, stripped off foil and redid that too. Not much more I could do to improve it as a sh** job anyway. Custard asked if the flue was the right size (4"), I thought it ought to be 5" but seems to have run ok for the last 10 years or more. Should it be 5"?This is why the rules for oil should be as strict as they are for gas. That's shocking. Would be condemmed if it was a gas boiler.
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It's always made me wonder what kind of person (plumber?) turns out jobs like this and considers it an honest days work? 🙂
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