POC entering building

[AlexGas]

Well... on the windy day, stay away from the address! :smile:

 

[diamondgas]

No and the kitchen was the size of a downstairs toilet! I wish I took a picture!

I was once called out by the police to a condensing boiler belching out steam! He thought it was on fire!!! 🙂

 

[boilerbrigade]

Natural draught >14-32Kw would be 1500mm. This one has a fan, that’s 300mm.

Sorry Alex your right, I could not see for all the steam! Point I was making is it was not MI's..

 

[Clint 1979]

I take it the flue had a terminal guard fitted as it was 900mm from the floor? Surely the steam entering the building would be a nuisance, but what if the boiler was to develop a fault? Potentially deadly POC's entering the property through the air brick or the door.......would AR stand up in court or err on the side of caution, ID it and fit a plume kit?
Or am I barking up the wrong tree altogether??
Just so I'm clear if I was to come across this scenario.......

 

[boilerbrigade]

I was once called out by the police to a condensing boiler belching out steam! He thought it was on fire!!! 🙂

Which is fine, as long as it does not enter the building....!

 

[REDSAW]

but what if the boiler was to develop a fault?

then its not immediately dangerous is it?

 

[buckley plumb]

I take it the flue had a terminal guard fitted as it was 900mm from the floor? Surely the steam entering the building would be a nuisance, but what if the boiler was to develop a fault? Potentially deadly POC's entering the property through the air brick or the door.......would AR stand up in court or err on the side of caution, ID it and fit a plume kit?
Or am I barking up the wrong tree altogether??
Just so I'm clear if I was to come across this scenario.......

you could say that about any boiler only300mm away

 

[boilerbrigade]

I take it the flue had a terminal guard fitted as it was 900mm from the floor? Surely the steam entering the building would be a nuisance, but what if the boiler was to develop a fault? Potentially deadly POC's entering the property through the air brick or the door.......would AR stand up in court or err on the side of caution, ID it and fit a plume kit?
Or am I barking up the wrong tree altogether??
Just so I'm clear if I was to come across this scenario.......

i agree, It only needs a plume kit - and because I could not test room co I could not leave it chance.

What's the crack with this co testing module? Bbdda1 or what ever it is called, does anyone know?

 

[AWheating]

the facts are this, on the day you attended poc were entering the building. It does not matter what happed yesterday or tomorrow. You could go back tomorrow and test again and it will be a pass. Tell the customer you can only base your judgement on what is seen when you attend and avise them to solve the problem for good a simple and cheapish plume kit can be installed. If the customer thinks different then they can get somebody else in to take a look.

 

[buckley plumb]

i agree, It only needs a plume kit - and because I could not test room co I could not leave it chance.

What's the crack with this co testing module? Bbdda1 or what ever it is called, does anyone know?

you only need the ticket if report of co or alarm. you can use to determine what you needed to do.

 

[boilerbrigade]

you could say that about any boiler only300mm away

- seriously I have seen many flues 300 from windows etc but were nothing like this it was lower than door handle with an alleyway next to it and everything just went into the house. I'm sure all the manufactures give a distance but if you rang them and told them it was pouring into the property is it ok to leave it they would say no stop being a pecker and ensure poc do not enter the building

 

[diamondgas]

Which is fine, as long as it does not enter the building....!

And if the flue was 2m away but the plume was seen blowing into a window what then? If an appliance is otherwise fitted safely and as per mi's then the only was to establish risk is via room co monitoring, which most FGA's facilitate, and a CO Alarm does constantly.

 

[boilerbrigade]

the facts are this, on the day you attended poc were entering the building. It does not matter what happed yesterday or tomorrow. You could go back tomorrow and test again and it will be a pass. Tell the customer you can only base your judgement on what is seen when you attend and avise them to solve the problem for good a simple and cheapish plume kit can be installed. If the customer thinks different then they can get somebody else in to take a look.

which is exactly what I did ! I don't think I did anything wrong just started post to get some idea of what people say when another engineer offers a conflicting, albeit wrong view without seeing the boiler about what's wrong with the boiler. Basically he missed it because he never commissioned boiler after changing gas pipe, he left it on standby as could not find programmer...

 

[buckley plumb]

fit a co alarm as belt and braces

 

[boilerbrigade]

And if the flue was 2m away but the plume was seen blowing into a window what then? If an appliance is otherwise fitted safely and as per mi's then the only was to establish risk is via room co monitoring, which most FGA's facilitate, and a CO Alarm does constantly.

That at was a bit of a gag mate that's all but yeah I agree however I was the last engineer at this boiler and I was not happy it was safe - period, so off it went. If someone wants to go and re connect it tomorrow maybe they could pick up my cheque for the pipe I run today??? :tounge_smile:

 

[GasmanxxxR1]

Theres so many 'shoulda, woulda coulda' with these types of jobs. All you can go on is the MIs and your own judgement end of. Can you be too safe, who knows

 

[kris]

And if the flue was 2m away but the plume was seen blowing into a window what then? If an appliance is otherwise fitted safely and as per mi's then the only was to establish risk is via room co monitoring, which most FGA's facilitate, and a CO Alarm does constantly.

Yeh its just a seperate probe for fga you need and there quite dear ,

 

[diamondgas]

Yeh its just a seperate probe for fga you need and there quite dear ,

The fga sucks in and analyses ... why worry what it sucks through?

 

[Reg Man]

Ambient CO should be tested in accordance with BS 7967. Gas safe also provide guidance on this.

 

[Reg Man]

Advantica also publish a good paper on this situation.