pricing up for little job

[plumber0808]

High five supper plumb for posting that picture up, that takes some balls. you have also taken the criticism well.

good luck with the training and maybe keep the pictures to yourself next time.

 

[TBServices]

This thread is hilarious.

Supper Plumb, change your name to shoddy plumb, ditch your "mentor" as he is clearly a tit who shouldn't be allowed near clean water, then find a real plumber. You'll never learn anything from this guy if he can't even fit compression joints.

 

[stoker122]

Many years ago when I was the apprentice, I told the guvnor I didn't think the compression joints on rad valves needed paste.
He said fair enough fit them without any.
They then left me to drain down and remake all of the joints again as most of them leaked.
Needless to say I have always put a lick of paste on the shoulder of the fitting since.

 

[TerryWaite]

I'm working with a guy who uses PTFE on big screwed joints, he looks at me as if I'm soft when I pull a reel of loctite 55 out, PTFE is crap IMHO especially the cheap stuff and that photo made me laugh, definitely no PTFE on comp joints!!!

 

[ne1ls0n]

thats the best laugh i have had this month, where did you learn that? A+E? looks like its been in a crash

 

[PlumbBobBob]

when i saw the picture i said out loud "oh my good god" i wonder if he has shares in ptfe manufacture? that is just so wrong.

 

[SimonG]

when i saw the picture i said out loud "oh my good god" i wonder if he has shares in ptfe manufacture? that is just so wrong.

I was close, four foot snake, sprang to mind.

 

[Best]

Paste is needed for sealing olives - especially poor quality olives. As I always state, leaks can be microscopic & that is exactly what causes the slight corrosion on brass nuts & fittings & copper pipes & seized up nuts.
This thread has cheered me up! :smile:

 

[RGII79]

paste does little to seal olive it more most will seal without anything if done correctly and if they do just change them paste helps prevent the nuts seizing up.small dab of boss between thread and olive never fails

 

[erpkid]

Sorry to add a bit more fuel to this but am in midst of ebay argument with a German who bid on one of my lathes a 3/4 ton Colchester and he expects me to palletise and get it on the roadside for this carrier. This was advertised as collection only with assistance but this arrogant chap assumes an old uk plumber can lift this out of his workshop on a sloping site onto a pallet so he can pay by paypal then reverse the payment......scum.....rant off..............

Anyhow back to ptfe and paste.........I use a little paste but mainly to lubricate the threads so on nipping up your are experiencing resistance to the compression of the olive rather than the thread friction.

 

[glenno1]

Are you called supper plumb because you make a meal of it

 

[supper plumb]

PLUMBING TOOLS - Plumbing Tips - YouTube
legend about the PTFE part

 

[Killy Bing]

Sorry to add a bit more fuel to this but am in midst of ebay argument with a German who bid on one of my lathes a 3/4 ton Colchester and he expects me to palletise and get it on the roadside for this carrier. This was advertised as collection only with assistance but this arrogant chap assumes an old uk plumber can lift this out of his workshop on a sloping site onto a pallet so he can pay by paypal then reverse the payment......scum.....rant off..............

Anyhow back to ptfe and paste.........I use a little paste but mainly to lubricate the threads so on nipping up your are experiencing resistance to the compression of the olive rather than the thread friction.

we had a tool like that. Same scenario but we did load it onto the pallets.

He came with his mate to inspect it (cash on collection)
he was pretty....insulting and knocked us a 100 quid for the lathe.
He paid being quite smug, insultingly so.

His mate drops it! Tool couldent drive a widowmaker to save his life.
now its ruined.

he turns around and demands for his money back 😀
Err nah!
Ironic as if he hadn't knocked us the money we would have loaded it.

 

[Keefy]

PLUMBING TOOLS - Plumbing Tips - YouTube
legend about the PTFE part

He said use it round olives but mainly wrap it around threads...

There are certain times you may need to use it round an olive and that's normally on an already leaking compression fitting or an old one you've had to undo for whatever reason. As for wrapping it around threads, there are certain threads you will need to use it on and a compression fitting thread isn't one of them.

The plumbers on this forum aren't lying to you or winding you up, they're trying to help/teach you.


By the way, you could do with an avatar...

 

[firemant]

£30 should have just about covered materials then looking at that. If compression fittings needed ptfe they would all be supplied with a roll when you buy one.

Tell that to boiler part suppliers: stupidly expensive parts often arrive with none of the required seals and gaskets:sad:

 

[snowhead]

Cut pipe.
Slide on Nut
Slide on Olive
1 wrap of PTFE near the end of the pipe.
Slide olive on to it and 1 wrap PTFE over olive.

Now the Olive won't slip off, especially if in the vertical.

A touch of Blue on fitting threads over 28mm just to ease the effort required

 

[Gray0689]

PLUMBING TOOLS - Plumbing Tips - YouTube
legend about the PTFE part

Why lol

 

[Best]

Cut pipe.
Slide on Nut
Slide on Olive
1 wrap of PTFE near the end of the pipe.
Slide olive on to it and 1 wrap PTFE over olive.

Now the Olive won't slip off, especially if in the vertical.

A touch of Blue on fitting threads over 28mm just to ease the effort required

The olive to fitting contact will cut the ptfe tape to bits.
It will be better than putting nothing on the compression joint, but paste has to be better & is a fine sealant.
If using ptfe on olive, I would prefer to first compress the joint, then take apart & wrap 2 or 3 turns of tape over the entire olive.

 

[TerryWaite]

Do not PTFE olives. End of story.

 

[Avatar]

No PTFE or paste on compression joints at all and I don't get any leaks - if one weeps I pinch it up and job is done!

On the very RARE occasions a joint leaks persistently then I may use PTFE or LSX . . . .

 

[Best]

No PTFE or paste on compression joints at all and I don't get any leaks - if one weeps I pinch it up and job is done! . . . .

Surely you will have leaks if you do every compression joint dry?
A seized up fitting or one with a slight bit of white corrosion on the brass fitting or green at pipe is a leak, slight that it may be! I have never seen a job full of unpasted brass compression joints that hasn't leaks, especially with the cheap fittings nowadays.

 

[Keefy]

Surely you will have leaks if you do every compression joint dry?

Neve ever had one.

 

[Koogatubac]

Supper plumb,

You r a inspiration to us plumbers, why the hell have we spent years and years understanding the trade when you come and do jobs like this.

Seriously... Your obviously incapable of understanding the VERY basics in how a olive seals onto the pipe.

Give up plumbing or join a REAL plumber who can teach you.

This has to be a wind up...

 

[Keefy]

we spent years and years understanding the trade

If there's a 2mbar drop on a U6 with existing app...

 

[Koogatubac]

If there's a 2mbar drop on a U6 with existing app...

Wtf this about?! Lol

 

[Keefy]

Wtf this about?! Lol

Secret stuff.

 

[Koogatubac]

O god, just read it, im not getting involved lol cba

 

[Best]

Neve ever had one.

Never one leak? Not even microscopic leaks that appear as corrosion, weeks, months or years later?
Do you ever use standard compression fittings, or ballofix valves for example? You will have leaks without paste. There is no magic touch a plumber can do that will make tightening a nut a special leak proof job.

 

[Kyle87]

Never one leak? Not even microscopic leaks that appear as corrosion, weeks, months or years later?
Do you ever use standard compression fittings, or ballofix valves for example? You will have leaks without paste. There is no magic touch a plumber can do that will make tightening a nut a special leak proof job.

Stop bullying keefy or ill report you!!

 

[Keefy]

Never one leak? Not even microscopic leaks that appear as corrosion, weeks, months or years later?
Do you ever use standard compression fittings, or ballofix valves for example? You will have leaks without paste. There is no magic touch a plumber can do that will make tightening a nut a special leak proof job.

Still waiting for my first leak, it'll come one day I know that, but so far I've had none. For some reason though, I bought a tub of JetBlue today. Subliminal thought in my head from reading this thread I suppose?

I don't know why it's so hard to believe there are people out there who have always done their compression fittings right. I never leave a job without checking round every joint I've done.

 

[Best]

Stop bullying keefy or ill report you!!

Okay, - I will leave him alone & bully somebody else instead! Lol! :smile:

 

[Keefy]

Okay, - I will leave him alone & bully somebody else instead! Lol! :smile:

No! I want you to carry on.

 

[Best]

Still waiting for my first leak, it'll come one day I know that, but so far I've had none. For some reason though, I bought a tub of JetBlue today. Subliminal thought in my head from reading this thread I suppose?

I don't know why it's so hard to believe there are people out there who have always done their compression fittings right. I never leave a job without checking round every joint I've done.

You shouldn't need to check every joint if you compress them properly & with paste. Still better to check though.
In all seriousness though, - a compression fitting "done right" without paste will mean I assume - the pipe undamaged, full in to fitting & in line & not over or under tightened? Most fittings I see done by others that have slight leaks - when I slacken them they are usually fine & not for example overtightened.
Remember slight leaks are invisible. Paste will seal them.

 

[Keefy]

Remember slight leaks are invisible. Paste will seal them.

I check with tissue and a dusty finger. I make sure I do this in front of the customer as I'm tidying away my tools. I dry off any wet pipe and fittings with a tissue/kitcen towel or the like and make sure the customer is watching, I then use my dusty fingers to do the same and it's guranteed the customer is watching your fingers like a hawk expecting them to be wet like the tissue. If its all dry then I'm happy and I know the customer has confirmed there are no leaks with me.

I talk them through everything I'm doing - if they're at all interested like.

 

[Best]

I check with tissue and a dusty finger.

I talk them through everything I'm doing - if they're at all interested like.

But a tissue or your finger will only pick up a drip, - not a very slight dampness that may evaporate almost before appearing.
You must bore people showing them each joint, - try using paste & save time by confidently leaving in the knowledge there will be no weeps ever! :smile: