Woolwich killing

[Keefy]

They don't if its not offensive and within the law.

Depends who it offends I suppose. Here's one recent example of how facebook suppresses free speech: Exclusive: Facebook censors pictures of children rallying against GMOs during global March Against Monsanto

 

[zeebeedee]

Well likewise with regards to living under sharia law

That sums it up really! Its never going to happen!!!! Even most of the muslims dont want it!

The edl are scum they would not stop at banning islam in this country anything that was non british white hetrosexual would be next!

 

[zeebeedee]

Youtube is not the only website that can put.videos.on the net. Why dont the edl put there own videos up on there own website explaining what there about. Ill tell you why because any with half a brain would smell facists a mile away!

 

[zeebeedee]

Love this!

BBC News - York Mosque praised for offering EDL protesters tea

Best thing about that article is that only 6 people from the whole of Yorkshire took part!

 

[Keefy]

Slightly off topic but I wonder if the Saudi King's death will cause a stir? I would link to the report but the Daily Mail has removed/suppressed it.

 

[on31ll]

Are you kidding me ? The edl put videos up everywhere and withing hours tere taken down !

If your againest them so much explain why police said only 1.5k showed up to protest ? When it was really 7k odd ?

Why have the new crews not put the interviews from the edl on air ? Or on website ? They wouldnt of wanted to interview him for nothing ? Is it because they wanted a riot then twist words that where said afterwards ?

Why was the little lad that was made to get onstage and shout god was a muslim not reported everywhere ? If the edl leader shouted all muslims are really catholics there would be riots !

 

[on31ll]

Come on, that would never happen in this country.

That what got us in that mess in firstplace !

Theyve been given everything else they want ! That law was passed where a certain religion carry little sword things (scabbers ? That what there called) we would get arrested for carrying a knife ?

 

[Gray0689]

Come on, that would never happen in this country.

It is happening already

 

[PlumbersMate]

That sums it up really! Its never going to happen!!!! Even most of the muslims dont want it!

The edl are scum they would not stop at banning islam in this country anything that was non british white hetrosexual would be next!

Total bullsheet IMHO

 

[PlumbersMate]

That sums it up really! Its never going to happen!!!! Even most of the muslims dont want it!

The edl are scum they would not stop at banning islam in this country anything that was non british white hetrosexual would be next!

Now you're making total rubbish up to try make yourself justified. When have they said anything homophobic?? Or anything racist to black people etc?
Yet I've seen Muslims be homophobic AND racist, but because they ain't chavv thugs its ok by you!

You have shown yourself up at least 3 times on this thread and your lack of facts about the EDL is frightening?

 

[Keefy]

You lot voted the puppets who have let this happen in so why don't you vote them out?

 

[on31ll]

Now you're making total rubbish up to try make yourself justified. When have they said anything homophobic?? Or anything racist to black people etc?
Yet I've seen Muslims be homophobic AND racist, but because they ain't chavv thugs its ok by you!

You have shown yourself up at least 3 times on this thread and your lack of facts about the EDL is frightening?

Theres actually a really big gay section in EDL ! There a LGBT section init ! Please just watch the last protest on saturday there was them flags being flown those rainbow type ones ! If they where againest them surly with them being "thugs" wouldnt they beat them up ?

 

[on31ll]

Get as much as you want if you read or listen to new about how bad EDL are but whats been on news about this today ? Not alot atall !

 

[zeebeedee]

Read this and then think if it was the other way around would you deface an Iraqi memorial because I would! Before you believe facist groups like the edl have a think about our governments foreign policies that bred the hatred in the first place.


All in the name of oil, not wmds or the liberation of Iraq, because our government only give two fuc ks about big business and profit! If not then why have they never gone in to Zimbabwe? Simple answer there's no oil there!

 

[zeebeedee]

Now you're making total rubbish up to try make yourself justified. When have they said anything homophobic?? Or anything racist to black people etc?
Yet I've seen Muslims be homophobic AND racist, but because they ain't chavv thugs its ok by you!

You have shown yourself up at least 3 times on this thread and your lack of facts about the EDL is frightening?

I think we need to agree to disagree! We are clearly both of a totally different mindset!

 

[Keefy]

Who defaced the memorial with the word ISLAM?

 

[on31ll]

Theres saying it could be muslims or far right rebels but you know who there gonna blame ! And its 3 letters !

 

[on31ll]

And the 3 letters aint YOU keefy !

 

[Keefy]

Theres saying it could be muslims or far right rebels but you know who there gonna blame ! And its 3 letters !

MI5 (one of those is a number but whatever).

 

[Howsie]

That what got us in that mess in firstplace !

Theyve been given everything else they want ! That law was passed where a certain religion carry little sword things (scabbers ? That what there called) we would get arrested for carrying a knife ?

Again, utter rubbish.

 

[Howsie]

Get as much as you want if you read or listen to new about how bad EDL are but whats been on news about this today ? Not alot atall !

And this justifies your point how exactly? Please explain in detail why you have posted this picture

 

[kay-jay]

Again, utter rubbish.

Actually he is right in this occasion.
It is the 'kirpan' carried by baptized sikhs.
The united kingdom allows it as it is one of the 5 'articles of faith' of sikhism

However given the fact that kirpan means peace and isn't used as a weapon i fail to see the danger.
I often grab a pint after work with a Stanley or a hacking knife in my possession but given the fact that they are tools of the trade that also isn't illegal

 

[zeebeedee]

Again, utter rubbish.

Its unbelievable the rubbish edl supporters believe isn't it!

 

[Rickster123]

This is why no good comes from politics and religion on a plumbing forum. Causes nothing but bad feeling. Look at the way this thread has gone. Is it any wonder on a grander scale that war breaks out.

 

[Howsie]

Actually he is right in this occasion.
It is the 'kirpan' carried by baptized sikhs.
The united kingdom allows it as it is one of the 5 'articles of faith' of sikhism

However given the fact that kirpan means peace and isn't used as a weapon i fail to see the danger.
I often grab a pint after work with a Stanley or a hacking knife in my possession but given the fact that they are tools of the trade that also isn't illegal

Sorry I was referring to the first point.

 

[Howsie]

This is why no good comes from politics and religion on a plumbing forum. Causes nothing but bad feeling. Look at the way this thread has gone. Is it any wonder on a grander scale that war breaks out.

No bad feeling here. I'm shocked that people believe the crap that's reported in the media; the tabloids have a lot to answer for.

 

[Keefy]

A person gets killed by someone who doesn't like the British government's overseas policies and a gang of plumbers argue with each other over it.

 

[Rickster123]

No bad feeling here. I'm shocked that people believe the crap that's reported in the media; the tabloids have a lot to answer for.

The trouble is religion and politics are all a matter of opinion. And people's opinions will never be the same.

 

[Leo21]

Again, utter rubbish.

Really? A certain religion is aloud to carry a knife and ride motorcycles without crash helmets! Now I was lead to believe we are all equal. Just some seem to be more equal than others.
dont mistake this for a racist rant, it's facts.

 

[hammers4spanner]

I would agree its becoming mud slinging and i aint on here for that so i'm out of this topic now so offski is i to moan about crap copper fittings or something

 

[zeebeedee]

Peace!

 

[Gray0689]

I would agree its becoming mud slinging and i aint on here for that so i'm out of this topic now so offski is i to moan about crap copper fittings or something

Agree

 

[Howsie]

Really? A certain religion is aloud to carry a knife and ride motorcycles without crash helmets! Now I was lead to believe we are all equal. Just some seem to be more equal than others.
dont mistake this for a racist rant, it's facts.

It's embedded in their beliefs and its been respected by us and them. I don't recall a Sikh stabbing someone with their ceremonial knife. I have no problem with it.

You will always find extremist views. Those Islam militant are extremists and those EDL loons are to. You will find good and bad in everything in lift but sadly some people are intent on finding the bad and shouting about it.

I'll cite religion as an example, many times its been said that priest are kiddy fiddlers and people are stupid to believe in a god. That person has no understand of a persons faith or the huge amount of good done by the people that believe in it.

 

[Leo21]

Should be one rule for all, regardless.

 

[Gray0689]

It's embedded in their beliefs and its been respected by us and them. I don't recall a Sikh stabbing someone with their ceremonial knife. I have no problem with it.

You will always find extremist views. Those Islam militant are extremists and those EDL loons are to. You will find good and bad in everything in lift but sadly some people are intent on finding the bad and shouting about it.

I'll cite religion as an example, many times its been said that priest are kiddy fiddlers and people are stupid to believe in a god. That person has no understand of a persons faith or the huge amount of good done by the people that believe in it.

I will cite religion too
There has been more people killed in the name of religion than any one disease in the world

 

[SimonG]

I will cite religion too
There has been more people killed in the name of religion than any one disease in the world

That's pretty frightening when you think that the 1918 Spanish flu killed upto 5% of the world's population at the time (upto 100 million people) by itself.

 

[hammers4spanner]

malaria????

 

[PlumbersMate]

It's embedded in their beliefs and its been respected by us and them. I don't recall a Sikh stabbing someone with their ceremonial knife. I have no problem with it.

You will always find extremist views. Those Islam militant are extremists and those EDL loons are to. You will find good and bad in everything in lift but sadly some people are intent on finding the bad and shouting about it.

I'll cite religion as an example, many times its been said that priest are kiddy fiddlers and people are stupid to believe in a god. That person has no understand of a persons faith or the huge amount of good done by the people that believe in it.

so because I've been to EDL marches would you class me as an extremist? Genuine question?
you also believe that people have been brainwashed by the media, I would argue you have to.
as in rather than witness the EDL for yourself and make your own opinion you believe all the rubbish published in the media and make a judgement that way.

just like to say nothing personal with anyone on here but I'm sick of everyone branding everyone that's been with EDL as the same, the majority are good lads, but as always only the negative will get reported, that's what sells the papers.

im English, I've got no problem whatsoever with foreign people of any race or whatever coming here as long as they respect our history and what we hold dear. I was raised to always respect our heroes and it breaks my heart when people are allowed to abuse them

 

[Gray0689]

malaria????

No
Religion is more than anything

 

[SimonG]

malaria????

About a million a year, historically.

 

[Gray0689]

so because I've been to EDL marches would you class me as an extremist? Genuine question?
you also believe that people have been brainwashed by the media, I would argue you have to.
as in rather than witness the EDL for yourself and make your own opinion you believe all the rubbish published in the media and make a judgement that way.

just like to say nothing personal with anyone on here but I'm sick of everyone branding everyone that's been with EDL as the same, the majority are good lads, but as always only the negative will get reported, that's what sells the papers.

im English, I've got no problem whatsoever with foreign people of any race or whatever coming here as long as they respect our history and what we hold dear. I was raised to always respect our heroes and it breaks my heart when people are allowed to abuse them

I'm not against some of EDLs political views its the neo nazi crap that goes along with it all
If they got rid of that rubbish I do believe there would be a lot more people getting involved
But I served 10 years in army and to see that ****e makes my blood boil

 

[hammers4spanner]

About a million a year, historically.

thats alot of deaths from an insect !!

 

[SimonG]

thats alot of deaths from an insect !!

Target is near 0 by 2015.

 

[PlumbersMate]

I'm not against some of EDLs political views its the neo nazi crap that goes along with it all
If they got rid of that rubbish I do believe there would be a lot more people getting involved
But I served 10 years in army and to see that ****e makes my blood boil

Yes I know it's so frustrating when you get the divs who spout the rubbish it lets Down the hard work of others. This week has been even harder as EDL has won a lot more support but then you'll get idiots on Facebook saying kick all Muslims out etc and this then gets associated with the views of EDL as a whole, which isn't the case

 

[SimonG]

Bubonic plague (black death) had a couple of good goes as well. But a much smaller global population.

 

[hammers4spanner]

Bubonic plague (black death) had a couple of good goes as well. But a much smaller global population.

third of the populace if i recall

whats that about 2015??

 

[Keefy]

I still think a single dedicated politics thread (maybe one for religion also) is the way forward for this forum - in the 'Arms. Keep any differences of opinion within them and don't let it affect the general good natured banter between members on the open forum. We're all big enough and ugly enough to accept we may not agree on politics and religion and that it's not a good enough reason for anyone to continue bearing personal grudges outside the said (proposed) dedicated threads.

Maybe just one single thread entitled something like 'News, Politics & Religion', then we can also discuss current affairs or latest news events all in one place.

 

[SimonG]

third of the populace if i recall

whats that about 2015??

There hoping to get to near zero deaths by 2015 for Malaria. I think it's a tough target and probably wouldn't account for deaths from recurring Malaria.

 

[hammers4spanner]

never knew that ,
never sure tho if its a good thing tampering with nature sometimes think as nasty as some things are its there for a reason

 

[PlumbersMate]

There hoping to get to near zero deaths by 2015 for Malaria. I think it's a tough target and probably wouldn't account for deaths from recurring Malaria.

I'm not big or ugly lol